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03-02-2012, 02:46 PM
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That's awful. If the isles want Schneider it would be Hamonic +++
That's just not true, If Gillis could get Hamonic straight up he would take it and move to an non-extradition country so he couldn't be prosecuted for theft.

To NYI fans, Poulin is 3 years away from being Schneider good if he ever gets there, and Nilsson was AHL goalie of the MONTH - Schneider was AHL goalie of the YEAR.

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Then I should thank our management for not naming you GM.

Nobody on the islanders is worth schneider, except tavares who is worth more.
You forget that value is relative.

Schneider is a UFA after next year. The Isles are doubtful to win a Cup with or without Schneider. Schneider is unlikely to want to sign long term with a team with an uncertain future.

Therefore, Schneider has very limited value to the Islanders. Hamonic is certainly worth more to the Islanders. So are Moulson, Nieslen, MacDonald, most of the prospects.

This is not to say that Schneider is not a better player than anyone other than Tavares. Just that a long-term asset has more value to a building team like the Islanders that a 1-year player, especially one that has proven relatively easy to fill by free agency or trade,

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That's just not true, If Gillis could get Hamonic straight up he would take it and move to an non-extradition country so he couldn't be prosecuted for theft.

To NYI fans, Poulin is 3 years away from being Schneider good if he ever gets there, and Nilsson was AHL goalie of the MONTH - Schneider was AHL goalie of the YEAR.
Wow you have a real crystal ball?? Can you tell me what the winning lottery numbers will be as well???

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NYI is trying to get a lineup with only goalies

Schneids
Nabby
Montoya
DiPietro
Poulin
Koskinen

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Schneider could make the Islanders push for a playoff spot starting next year while still maintaining a low payroll that Wanger runs with. Giving the city a reason to build an arena.

Poulin/Nilsson is way less proven, one of them may emerge and be a double headed monster for this young team.



Schneider
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Canucks give 3rd to help ease the salary of Ballard, but in reality, Islanders will need help reaching the floor next season.

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Islanders are getting robbed in that deal. Move along people, just Nucks fans overvaluing their players again. Just look at what they wanted for Hodgson and what they got for him

Talking about the OP deal btw.

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Schneider could make the Islanders push for a playoff spot starting next year while still maintaining a low payroll that Wanger runs with. Giving the city a reason to build an arena.

Poulin/Nilsson is way less proven, one of them may emerge and be a double headed monster for this young team.



Schneider
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de Haan
Strome


Canucks give 3rd to help ease the salary of Ballard, but in reality, Islanders will need help reaching the floor next season.
No. In no world does it make sense to give up De Haan AND Strome for Schneider and have to take on Ballard as well.

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I thought it was pretty fair. I just didn't realize that NY had that much confidence in their goaltending pipeline.

It's a deep draft, and frankly the Vancouver cupboard is bare. We need contingency in prospects for our future, and don't need what we'd be giving up for that draft position.
According to McKenzie, this isn't a deep draft at all. The Islanders would serve themselves well by holding on to their top 10 pick and develop their own goaltenders.

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I thought it was pretty fair. I just didn't realize that NY had that much confidence in their goaltending pipeline.

It's a deep draft, and frankly the Vancouver cupboard is bare. We need contingency in prospects for our future, and don't need what we'd be giving up for that draft position.
A top 5 lottery pick for 1 yr of Schneider ,is pretty fair?

In what world?

Nah.The isles like the potential of their 3 young goalies.Shop Schneider elsewhere.

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Schneider could make the Islanders push for a playoff spot starting next year while still maintaining a low payroll that Wanger runs with. Giving the city a reason to build an arena.

Poulin/Nilsson is way less proven, one of them may emerge and be a double headed monster for this young team.



Schneider
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de Haan
Strome


Canucks give 3rd to help ease the salary of Ballard, but in reality, Islanders will need help reaching the floor next season.
We're giving up two of our top prospects, who fill huge needs for us in the future, for a goaltender we don't need and a salary dump? And by adding Schneider, it would be a triple headed monster. Think people, think.

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Remind me to buy you a beer if you're ever in NY.
Done

Unless you're a sexy, promiscuous woman, in which case I will be buying you several

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Schneider could make the Islanders push for a playoff spot starting next year while still maintaining a low payroll that Wanger runs with. Giving the city a reason to build an arena.

Poulin/Nilsson is way less proven, one of them may emerge and be a double headed monster for this young team.



Schneider
Ballard
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de Haan
Strome


Canucks give 3rd to help ease the salary of Ballard, but in reality, Islanders will need help reaching the floor next season.
Isles won't be inthe mix if Schneider is moved.They like how Poulin/Nilson/Koskinenare developing.

De Haan was an ahl rookie this season.He was named to the all star team ,but missed out after hurting his shoulder(out 4-6 weeks).He's a good bet to make the nYI 2012-2013 roster.

Isles love Strome's skill.

They won't overpay for Ballard,the only player offered who Snow would kick the tires on.

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03-02-2012, 03:08 PM
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We're giving up two of our top prospects, who fill huge needs for us in the future, for a goaltender we don't need and a salary dump? And by adding Schneider, it would be a triple headed monster. Think people, think.
You are assuming Poulin, Nilsson, de Haan, Strome all developing to their potential, where Schneider IS proven already.

Islanders have had a hard time to attract FAs, I think Ballard would be a good fit anyways.

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Done

Unless you're a sexy, promiscuous woman, in which case I will be buying you several
Can't say that I am. Although one girl I went to grade school with was an Islanders ice girl for a few years.

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We're giving up two of our top prospects, who fill huge needs for us in the future, for a goaltender we don't need and a salary dump? And by adding Schneider, it would be a triple headed monster. Think people, think.
But Schneider's almost a ufa.
Loungo's signed longterm.
And the Canucks need to restock their prospect pool.

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You are assuming Poulin, Nilsson, de Haan, Strome all developing to their potential, where Schneider IS proven already.

Islanders have had a hard time to attract FAs, I think Ballard would be a good fit anyways.
I'd rather risk that then over pay for Schneider. I actually would like Ballard but not for our top two prospects.

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I'd rather risk that then over pay for Schneider. I actually would like Ballard but not for our top two prospects.
He would be a good fit to mentor your youth movement. I'd say he's worthy of a 2nd round pick at this point, assuming his concussion doesn't linger.

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You are assuming Poulin, Nilsson, de Haan, Strome all developing to their potential, where Schneider IS proven already.

Islanders have had a hard time to attract FAs, I think Ballard would be a good fit anyways.
Schneider is a ufa in one yr. Isles will give up nothing of value for 1 yr of Schneider,especially with how well Poulin and Nilson are developing in the ahl.

Isles in the 4th yr of Snow's rebuild,will take their chances with Poulin,Nilson ,De Haan. and Strome.
Snow imo won't trade any top youngsters for a short term move.

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He would be a good fit to mentor your youth movement. I'd say he's worthy of a 2nd round pick at this point, assuming his concussion doesn't linger.
I wouldn't give up more than 4th for Ballard. You guys are trying to rid yourself of Ballard harder than other teams are trying to acquire him.

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I wouldn't give up more than 4th for Ballard. You guys are trying to rid yourself of Ballard harder than other teams are trying to acquire him.
Not true at all. In fact before the season started Gillis met with Ballard and told him not to worry about being moved because he would not be traded this season. As you can see he kept his word. The Canucks are in no hurry whatsoever to rid themselves of Ballard.

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isles have absolutely no desire for schnieder

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Yeah, Islanders fans have been pretty clear on not needing a new goalie. For free? I think Schneider would be an improvement, but trading valuable assets means robbing Peter to pay Paul. The price they would pay shouldnt interest the Canucks, and Schneider isnt enough of an upgrade for them to merit giving up more then other teams thay dont have decent goalies now and solid-to-very-good prospects for the future.

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That's just not true, If Gillis could get Hamonic straight up he would take it and move to an non-extradition country so he couldn't be prosecuted for theft.

To NYI fans, Poulin is 3 years away from being Schneider good if he ever gets there, and Nilsson was AHL goalie of the MONTH - Schneider was AHL goalie of the YEAR.
SO was Wade Dubielewicz. Your Point? Nilsson is doing so as a rookie.

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I'd definitely add to Schneider for Hamonic but NYI doesn't need a tender

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Isles are no close to competing yet so they are better off developing prospects and tanking for couple more years. Just re-up Nabby or Montoya for couple more seasons until one of your prospect goalie is ready to step up.

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