I'm guessing the league is only dominant through a certain number of teams then. Like what the NHL would be without one.
It's more cyclical in baseball. I always think about the Florida Marlins. They suck for a handful of years, they draft well, then they win a championship, then the blow it up and start all over then they can't afford their top tier talent, and then start all over.
after 2014 seas on he will be traded. i was waiting for someone to find the breakdown.
why should everyone get so excited about the obvious move? this pitiful excuse of a franchise run by idiots that dont have winning baseball on their minds just how much more money is being put in their pocket as their first priority should not be commended for thsi move.
there is NO gurantee he will be here that whole deal. odds are he is gone the minute that salary goes up from 7 million to 10 million.
its kinda odd, that the nuttings and cutch were 10 million dollars off on friday, then all the sudden monday there is a contract signed sealed and delivered. the nuttings just gave in and gave him the money?
they took over 2 yrs of his free agency. that will be a big bargaining chip in the trade negotiations that will happen in a few yrs with the big market teams.
the nuttings dont have the fans as their top priority and winning CERTAINLY is not their top priority, never has and never will.
they dont sign that deal, then whatever sheep they have left that frequent that stadium they stole out of every taxpayers money, would be empty.
sign the guy, keep him here a few yrs then dump him. been there done that.
cutch is good, but is wasted playing here. he will be better when he is protected in a lineup by a team that actually wants to win.
the nuttings/mclatchy debacle ownership has been so sad for 19 yrs, one obvious signing that had to be done shouldnt be celebrated and made out to make up for 19 yrs of complete and utter awfulness.
screw the nuttings and their half a**ed attempt to put a team out there.
o ya screw t he MLB as well for ruining a once great sport.
after 2014 seas on he will be traded. i was waiting for someone to find the breakdown.
why should everyone get so excited about the obvious move? this pitiful excuse of a franchise run by idiots that dont have winning baseball on their minds just how much more money is being put in their pocket as their first priority should not be commended for thsi move.
there is NO gurantee he will be here that whole deal. odds are he is gone the minute that salary goes up from 7 million to 10 million.
its kinda odd, that the nuttings and cutch were 10 million dollars off on friday, then all the sudden monday there is a contract signed sealed and delivered. the nuttings just gave in and gave him the money?
they took over 2 yrs of his free agency. that will be a big bargaining chip in the trade negotiations that will happen in a few yrs with the big market teams.
the nuttings dont have the fans as their top priority and winning CERTAINLY is not their top priority, never has and never will.
they dont sign that deal, then whatever sheep they have left that frequent that stadium they stole out of every taxpayers money, would be empty.
sign the guy, keep him here a few yrs then dump him. been there done that.
cutch is good, but is wasted playing here. he will be better when he is protected in a lineup by a team that actually wants to win.
the nuttings/mclatchy debacle ownership has been so sad for 19 yrs, one obvious signing that had to be done shouldnt be celebrated and made out to make up for 19 yrs of complete and utter awfulness.
screw the nuttings and their half a**ed attempt to put a team out there.
o ya screw t he MLB as well for ruining a once great sport.
I love it when people take great news and turn it into a nonsensical rant. I was half-expecting it to turn into a rant against immigrants at the end.
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I actually don't disagree with GLM that much. Re-signing Cutch certainly isn't a bad thing, but it's hard not to be pessimistic about the Pirates/Nuttings.
I actually don't disagree with GLM that much. Re-signing Cutch certainly isn't a bad thing, but it's hard not to be pessimistic about the Pirates/Nuttings.
Just simply a case of fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I'm in the group of people that are cautiously optimistic. They'll have to do a lot to sway my opinion of them.
Oh, I'm much the same way...but when I see a tidbit of good news my first reaction isn't instantly "this just going to be bad news in 2 years".
I'm just not that big of a pessimist...or at least my expectations of the Pirates are just so tempered that I view being a fan of the team similar to being a fan of a nPower Championship League team (lets say, Wolverhampton). I have little to no hope that the Nuttings will spend enough money around McCutchen to allow this team to be competitive...but I'm not worried about McCutchen playing out most of that deal in Pittsburgh before being traded off in 2017 or 2018.
I love it when people take great news and turn it into a nonsensical rant. I was half-expecting it to turn into a rant against immigrants at the end.
Some fans have this unrealistic expectation that the Pirates should sign every big name that drops on the market. I seriously heard a few people on 105.9 call in and ask why the Pirates wouldn't offer Prince Fielder a contract.
Even if BN and NH offered Prince $35M a season, I doubt he'd come here. It's not just about spending money, it's about players wanting other things as well. Championships, being competitive, the city itself (Not saying Pittsburgh is a bad city).
This McCutchen signing is a step in the right direction. This proves to the fans and the players, as well as other players in the majors that the Pirates are willing to spend money on the draft and to lock up players that came up through the system.
Once they lock-up enough talent, they'll eventually do better. I don't care how pessimistic some Pirate fans are, the fact is Walker, McCutchen, Tony Sanchez, Tabata, Presley, Marte, Cole, Taillon, Alvarez, etc are only going to get better.
Obviously it makes the Pirates a better team, it makes them competitive. If they're consistently competitive, it'll draw attention from other big league free agents.
Now obviously, we're far from that reality, but several years down the road, it may become more tangible. Let's hope it happens, I love baseball and I'd love to see the Pirates do well. I think everyone would.
Just simply a case of fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I'm in the group of people that are cautiously optimistic. They'll have to do a lot to sway my opinion of them.
Basically the believe it when I see it attitude.
I totally agree with this. The Cutch deal absolutely had to get done. Heck, my mom knows nothing about baseball but once saw him run to the infield from center field smiling his pearly whites after a great catch to end the inning and she instantly knew he was the face of the franchise. If they didn't get Cutch signed, as was mentioned before, the Pirates might as well leave Pittsburgh.
Now, whats next? Remember we signed Clint Barmes to a 2 year $11 million deal. Yikes.
Can we get Walker to sign a similarly bargained deal? 6 years 30 mil is fair there.
That said, we're never gonna have success unless a) we raise our payroll or b) we somehow go back in time and hire Billy Beane before he got good. (Speaking of which, if you are a baseball fan, sports fan in general, or just want a great read....."Moneyball" is phenomenal. Pretty easy read and so much cool information. Exactly what all of us want to read as the arm-chair GM's we all pretend to be.
anyone who supports the nuttings need their heads examined. talk about not caring about the fans.
im 33 yrs old. i was 14 when they last played a meaningful game. thats a fricking shame that mlb has let this franchise or any franchise sink to that level, but since the big wigs like the yanks sox philly etc all carry the rest of the crap mkts who they dont care.
their would be no way if i was a big mkt owner id ok the "revenue sharing" and have leaches like the nuttings just pocket the money and then "invest" in "developing" the prospects in puerto rico.
the nuttings are the worst owners in pro sports today.
when is daniel moskos gonna be starting opening day, winning 20 games and having 300ks a season? o thats right, they drafted him with their 1st round pick to be a 3-5 starter. now he is a bullpen guy. when is matt weiters gonna lineup as our starting catcher? o thats right, he cost to muc hso they drafted a middle relief guy i spoke of earlier in moskos.
then to try and make things right they draft that bust pedro who was a lazy 3b/1b in college and had motivational problems. that whole franchise is run by idiots. from top to bottom. 19 yrs of moronic trades, awful free agent signings, terrible drafts and ****** tax payers of their money for that beautiful ballpark. its awful how this city still supports that excuse of ownership
honestly you think they have the better interest in their fans or their bottom line? anyone who says its us the fans ill sell you a $1 for $20. its a great deal really it is!
anyone who supports the nuttings need their heads examined. talk about not caring about the fans.
im 33 yrs old. i was 14 when they last played a meaningful game. thats a fricking shame that mlb has let this franchise or any franchise sink to that level, but since the big wigs like the yanks sox philly etc all carry the rest of the crap mkts who they dont care.
their would be no way if i was a big mkt owner id ok the "revenue sharing" and have leaches like the nuttings just pocket the money and then "invest" in "developing" the prospects in puerto rico.
the nuttings are the worst owners in pro sports today.
when is daniel moskos gonna be starting opening day, winning 20 games and having 300ks a season? o thats right, they drafted him with their 1st round pick to be a 3-5 starter. now he is a bullpen guy. when is matt weiters gonna lineup as our starting catcher? o thats right, he cost to muc hso they drafted a middle relief guy i spoke of earlier in moskos.
then to try and make things right they draft that bust pedro who was a lazy 3b/1b in college and had motivational problems. that whole franchise is run by idiots. from top to bottom. 19 yrs of moronic trades, awful free agent signings, terrible drafts and ****** tax payers of their money for that beautiful ballpark. its awful how this city still supports that excuse of ownership
honestly you think they have the better interest in their fans or their bottom line? anyone who says its us the fans ill sell you a $1 for $20. its a great deal really it is!
so much wrong in this post. im not even sure where to start.
Frustration is one thing....but you obviously let it get to you even when they do something good. Thats a jaded mind set. Some fans just want to watch the team fail so they dont invest their time. Its sad.
Nonetheless - lets keep things civil around here!!
anyone who supports the nuttings need their heads examined. talk about not caring about the fans.
im 33 yrs old. i was 14 when they last played a meaningful game. thats a fricking shame that mlb has let this franchise or any franchise sink to that level, but since the big wigs like the yanks sox philly etc all carry the rest of the crap mkts who they dont care.
their would be no way if i was a big mkt owner id ok the "revenue sharing" and have leaches like the nuttings just pocket the money and then "invest" in "developing" the prospects in puerto rico.
the nuttings are the worst owners in pro sports today.
when is daniel moskos gonna be starting opening day, winning 20 games and having 300ks a season? o thats right, they drafted him with their 1st round pick to be a 3-5 starter. now he is a bullpen guy. when is matt weiters gonna lineup as our starting catcher? o thats right, he cost to muc hso they drafted a middle relief guy i spoke of earlier in moskos.
then to try and make things right they draft that bust pedro who was a lazy 3b/1b in college and had motivational problems. that whole franchise is run by idiots. from top to bottom. 19 yrs of moronic trades, awful free agent signings, terrible drafts and ****** tax payers of their money for that beautiful ballpark. its awful how this city still supports that excuse of ownership
honestly you think they have the better interest in their fans or their bottom line? anyone who says its us the fans ill sell you a $1 for $20. its a great deal really it is!
Moskos was Littlefield's last pick as the Pirate's GM. Although the Pirates should've picked Wieter's, hindsight's 20/20.
The fact is Littlefield was an awful GM with a abysmal scouting team. They chose to draft signable players over talented players. Coonelly and Nutting also didn't come into play until 2007 (Nutting Jan of 2007 and Coonelly Sept of 2007, like NH).
So if you're going to blame anyone, blame Dave Littlefield and Kevin McClatchy for mediocre scouting, drafting, trading and signings.
Now don't get me wrong, NH hasn't been perfect. However, he certainly didn't come into a very fantastic situation. He had the league's worst roster with the league's worst barren excuse for a farm system. Now the Penguins have one of the better rated farm systems in baseball, and a much better team than they had in 2007.
NH has won and lost his fair share of trades. He definitely won the Nady trade and definitely lost in the Bay trade. Obviously I won't mention the Bautista trade because in my opinion, he could've went anywhere else and remained the same below average hitter he was here. He went to Toronto and the hitting coach there was able to help him find his swing, nobody could've predicted that.
NH has yet to sign any over-the-hill veterans to long overpaid contracts. He's done fairly well in trades, he's not batting 1.000, but he's done pretty well for himself. He's turned the farm system around completely.
You can't take **** and turn into gold, which was the Pirates organization five years ago. Rebuilding a baseball team takes time, especially a small market team like the Pirates.
This is a big step in the right direction. Signing McCutchen was the most important things the Pirates have done in a while.
I like how when NH blew it up and started the rebuild (unlike what, for example, the Flames are doing now. And we see how that's working out) everyone screamed "they don't care!", "They don't want to pay the players!", "Nutting <3s $$$!!"
Then they started spending money in the draft/Latin America and they all cried "but what about the Major League team, huh!!!???"
Now we actually spend money to keep our good players and even bring in other guys and now it's "just wait, we'll trade them soon anyway!"
I like how when NH blew it up and started the rebuild (unlike what, for example, the Flames are doing now. And we see how that's working out) everyone screamed "they don't care!", "They don't want to pay the players!", "Nutting <3s $$$!!"
Then they started spending money in the draft/Latin America and they all cried "but what about the Major League team, huh!!!???"
Now we actually spend money to keep our good players and even bring in other guys and now it's "just wait, we'll trade them soon anyway!"
I love it.
There is still plenty of evidence that the management team is mediocre. With our budget restrictions we need a gm who can go up and knock the ball out of the park. Applauding him for signing mcc is a lot like clapping because he made it to the plate without tripping. Its pathetic that your expectations are this low. The rebuild is slow. There are significant doubts about his first two drafts. His trades focused on "ml ready" talent and yet only the nady trade and mclouth trade returned anything useable. His LA efforts have resulted in one blue chipper. If you think the pirates are well run then its only because your expectations are low.
This is the best thing the Pirates have done from a personnel standpoint in 20 years. It's a truly great move, and it goes a long way toward restoring a lot of people's faith. The Pirates now have McCutchen, Tabata, Marte, Cole, Alvarez, and Taillon controlled through at least 2017. That looks like a window of competitiveness, as far as I'm concerned.
The deal is a step in the right direction. Considering his production, Cutch easily could have garnered more, but it was extremely team friendly. While the front office is nothing special, it isn't grossly incompetent like its predecessor.
