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Do people from Seattle really believe that they are getting the Coyotes this year over the Nordiques?
How would the people of Seattle know the answer to that question? One is better served sourcing someone who is more closer to the Coyotes' situation...
"Yes we can. Yes you can write that the Coyotes could move to Quebec City next year. But you must also add that other cities, as well as Quebec, could inherit the Coyotes...Seattle, like Quebec, [is a city where an] arena has yet to be built. Existing infrastructure - the Colosseum and the Key Arena, which served as home to the SuperSonics basketball club before being relocated to Oklahoma City - could serve as a temporary solution.
Our relationship with the people of Quebec are still very good and their application is not worse than it was. But I think the passion with which you follow the case and the interest for the return of the League in Quebec gave the impression that things were more advanced than they actually are."
Do people from Seattle really believe that they are getting the Coyotes this year over the Nordiques?
I think if this arena plan gets the thumbs up in the next few weeks like is being planned Seattle stands a very good chance of being home to the coyotes if they relocate.
Has no one realized that Seattle was the FIRST American team to win the Stanley Cup??? So why not put a team in a market that brought the Cup to America for the first time???
Has no one realized that Seattle was the FIRST American team to win the Stanley Cup??? So why not put a team in a market that brought the Cup to America for the first time???
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The star of the Seattle Mets was this man, Bernie Morris
The versatile forward had scored 23 goals in 18 regular season games. He was the fan favorite in Seattle, starring there from 1916 through 1923. It is very safe to say that Bernie Morris is one of the long forgotten greats in Stanley Cup history.
The star of the Seattle Mets was this man, Bernie Morris
The versatile forward had scored 23 goals in 18 regular season games. He was the fan favorite in Seattle, starring there from 1916 through 1923. It is very safe to say that Bernie Morris is one of the long forgotten greats in Stanley Cup history.
Do people from Seattle really believe that they are getting the Coyotes this year over the Nordiques?
I myself am from the Seattle area and honestly, the answer is no. We're too early along I think in this and I don't particularly trust this review panel to make the right decisions about this proposal from Hansen.
htpwn - you are seeing what you want to see in that. First off, Hansen was quoted, he did not write it himself, so the writer chose to add the period. I don't know about you, but I was always taught "and" didn't begin a sentence.
Most importantly, which I don’t think that people understand, is that we have a tremendous amount of personal equity that we have in the arena and in the NBA franchise and the NHL owner will have in the NHL franchise.
Put it in correct English and what he said was "We" (whoever that is since we don't know who the arena group really is) have equity in the arena and the 2 groups have additional equity in the NBA and NHL teams. He lumps arena and NBA together because that is his personal stake - he has already stated a separate group will own the NHL team.
His other quote, on this very page, states the NHL owner will have equity in the arena so that pretty much blows your entire argument out of the water.
When you are in a hole, I was always taught it is best to quit digging ...
Again, when written as it was, I don't really see how it can be interpreted in another way. I would have interpreted it the same whether it was about the Coyotes, Quebec City, or any other topic.
As for his other quote (which, for the record, isn't a direct quote), yes, he does appear to make it clear that a potential NHL owner would hold equity in the arena. My previous comment was only based on the information available at the time, so while I will concede it turned out to be incorrect, I'm disagree with the poster bumping it the way he did. If the Coyotes do move to Quebec City, I can tell you I'm not going to be bumping any comments from pages back, despite the wide array of material available.
Whatever, as far as I'm concerned, its over with. Lets move on.
Based on commuting patterns, the adjacent metropolitan areas of Olympia, Bremerton, and Mount Vernon, along with a few smaller satellite urban areas, are grouped together in a wider labor market region known as the Seattle–Tacoma–Olympia Combined Statistical Area (CSA) (See Figure STO'). The population of this wider region is 4,087,033—almost two-thirds of Washington's population.[2] The Seattle CSA is the 12th largest CSA in the country. The additional metropolitan and micropolitan areas included are:
Bremerton–Silverdale metropolitan area
Kitsap County: west of Seattle, separated from the city by Puget Sound; connected to Seattle by ferry and to Tacoma by the Tacoma Narrows Bridge
Olympia metropolitan area
Thurston County: southwest of Seattle, at the south end of Puget Sound
Mount Vernon–Anacortes metropolitan area
Skagit County
Oak Harbor micropolitan area
Island County: northwest of Everett, encompassing Whidbey and Camano Islands in Puget Sound
Shelton micropolitan area
Mason County: west of Tacoma and northwest of Olympia
I know. Why would Nucks fans want to drive down to Seattle just to watch a team that isn't their own simply because tickets might be "cheaper"
A few things:
1. People from the greater Vancouver region travel to the USA far more often than people in the prairies. A lot of people here actually do their weekly shopping in Washington. Canadians are there already.
2. Seattle is not that far away and is much more interesting to visit than Montana or some town in Minnesota. People will drive to Seattle to watch NHL hockey.
3. Not everyone in Vancouver is a Canucks' fan. There are tons of Fans of other Canadian teams, original six teams etc here. That said I don't think it makes any difference. NHL tickets would be cheaper in Seattle and this would interest a lot of Canadians that already visit the city.
Again, stop acting like a smartass. You know very well what I was referring to and yet you are choosing to nitpick. My point was obvious: There was no deliberate attempt to mislead. Most cities in North America have their population numbers up-to-date in their Wikipedia page, Seattle evidently does not.
Dude, how am I being a smartass? The 4.2 million number comes from the Combined Statistical Area.
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If specified criteria are met, adjacent metropolitan and micropolitan statistical areas, in various combinations, may become the components of a new set of areas called combined statistical areas (CSAs). Using Census Bureau data the OMB compiles lists of CSAs. The areas that combine retain their own designations as metropolitan or micropolitan statistical areas within the larger combined statistical area. There are 125 CSAs defined by OMB as of December 2009.
That's where the 4.2 million comes from and it makes sense to add that to the population.
Dude, how am I being a smartass? The 4.2 million number comes from the Combined Statistical Area.
That's where the 4.2 million comes from and it makes sense to add that to the population.
If your not being a smartass, then I would have to question your reading comprehension.
Seattle's Wikipedia page, as pictured above, clearly (and wrongly) states that Seattle has a population of 3.4 million over 8,000 sq mi. The CSA page also uses the 3.4 million figure. From experience, most cities in North America have the correct population numbers in their Wikipedia page; Seattle did not.
Nuclear_SUV had accused me of trying to mislead other posters into thinking Seattle was a smaller city than it was, to which I responded by stating my source and conceding that it was the wrong figure.
As for the merits of using 'CSA' versus 'MSA' versus the city proper itself, that is a debate for another day. CSAs generally encompass massive amounts of land mass (Houston's CSA is larger than Israel) and don't have a direct comparable outside of the United States.
If your not being a smartass, then I would have to question your reading comprehension.
Seattle's Wikipedia page, as pictured above, clearly (and wrongly) states that Seattle has a population of 3.4 million over 8,000 sq mi. The CSA page also uses the 3.4 million figure. From experience, most cities in North America have the correct population numbers in their Wikipedia page; Seattle did not.
Nuclear_SUV had accused me of trying to mislead other posters into thinking Seattle was a smaller city than it was, to which I responded by stating my source and conceding that it was the wrong figure.
As for the merits of using 'CSA' versus 'MSA' versus the city proper itself, that is a debate for another day. CSAs generally encompass massive amounts of land mass (Houston's CSA is larger than Israel) and don't have a direct comparable outside of the United States.
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Based on commuting patterns, the adjacent metropolitan areas of Olympia, Bremerton, and Mount Vernon, along with a few smaller satellite urban areas, are grouped together in a wider labor market region known as the Seattle–Tacoma–OlympiaCombined Statistical Area (CSA) (See Figure STO'). The population of this wider region is 4,087,033—almost two-thirds of Washington's population.[2] The Seattle CSA is the 12th largest CSA in the country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_metropolitan_area
It's there. Not as big as Toronto but clearly bigger than 3.4 million. Wikipedia, as you know, does not get updated that much and has its own criteria as to what to use.
If your not being a smartass, then I would have to question your reading comprehension.
Seattle's Wikipedia page, as pictured above, clearly (and wrongly) states that Seattle has a population of 3.4 million over 8,000 sq mi. The CSA page also uses the 3.4 million figure. From experience, most cities in North America have the correct population numbers in their Wikipedia page; Seattle did not.
Nuclear_SUV had accused me of trying to mislead other posters into thinking Seattle was a smaller city than it was, to which I responded by stating my source and conceding that it was the wrong figure.
As for the merits of using 'CSA' versus 'MSA' versus the city proper itself, that is a debate for another day. CSAs generally encompass massive amounts of land mass (Houston's CSA is larger than Israel) and don't have a direct comparable outside of the United States.
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Originally Posted by Melrose Munch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_metropolitan_area
It's there. Not as big as Toronto but clearly bigger than 3.4 million. Wikipedia, as you know, does not get updated that much and has its own criteria as to what to use.
In most cases though, I'd say we should be using the "Metropolitan Statistical Area" population figures, because on the whole the great majority of people attending games will come from inside that area. CSAs are often so large as to include areas from which few people make the journey to attend games.
If we're talking TV audiences, then rightfully the whole state's population should come into play as a major league team in Seattle would represent the state.
Actually, everyone but you is ignoring it. The question keeps getting asked "who will own a team in Seattle"? And they do have an owner ready ... google Don Levin Seattle. The NHL knows him ... It's not like he is some pie in the sky owner. He already owns the Chicago Wolves.
There is also a second ownership group that has been reported. Just because someone isn't completely public about their pursuit doesn't mean it doesn't exist. For 9 months no one knew who Chris Hansen was and then he makes his intentions public and they aren't just starting the process ... They are ready to unveil the deal. At times it's best to keep stuff private until it's ready.
I dont think Seattle can come out now and take an NHL franchise yet. Quebec city has been working on this project for about 3 years now. Also Bettman cant afford another mistake. He is going to go to Quebec city for a 100% sure success. At many occasions, he said that he wants to go back where the NHL was before instead of a new market. Perhpas Seattle is next in line after Quebec. There is no way Seattle can be ready for the Coyotes. Dont forget, if the Coyotes dont make the playoff, the move will be announced somewhere between the end of the season and the stanley cup final. One thing that I am sure of is that the last rumors coming out of Glendale about Greg Jamison are not true. Its been 3 weeks!! If the NHL was in serious talk, they would of come out by now only to reassure the fans in Glendale. They are doing everything to keep the fans going to games to the last one. This is business after all....
You are wrong on every count! Seattle is on the fast track to get an arena done before the NBA relocation deadline THIS YEAR.
Seattle needs the Hornets and Coyotes. Sorry Quebec, get in line.
In line behind Seattle? You live in Seattle correct? How long do you know about the possibility of Seattle getting a team? 2 Months may be? Quebec city has been working on the project for 3 years. So I think you get in line...you may be next.
In most cases though, I'd say we should be using the "Metropolitan Statistical Area" population figures, because on the whole the great majority of people attending games will come from inside that area. CSAs are often so large as to include areas from which few people make the journey to attend games.
If we're talking TV audiences, then rightfully the whole state's population should come into play as a major league team in Seattle would represent the state.
I dont think Seattle can come out now and take an NHL franchise yet. Quebec city has been working on this project for about 3 years now. Also Bettman cant afford another mistake. He is going to go to Quebec city for a 100% sure success. At many occasions, he said that he wants to go back where the NHL was before instead of a new market. Perhpas Seattle is next in line after Quebec. There is no way Seattle can be ready for the Coyotes. Dont forget, if the Coyotes dont make the playoff, the move will be announced somewhere between the end of the season and the stanley cup final. One thing that I am sure of is that the last rumors coming out of Glendale about Greg Jamison are not true. Its been 3 weeks!! If the NHL was in serious talk, they would of come out by now only to reassure the fans in Glendale. They are doing everything to keep the fans going to games to the last one. This is business after all....
And who's to say that Seattle is actually next on the relocation list. We don't know who the competition will be that Seattle will have to face for that next team.
Wouldn't it be a even bigger mistake for Bettman and the league as a whole to not put a team in Seattle assuming the arena is figured out and relocate another US team to canada? And I am not talking about specifically the Coyotes and QC but more in general.
Less US teams and more canada teams. NBC is not going to be happy and it wouldn't surprise me if the next tv contract deal ends up being less money.
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Again, stop acting like a smartass. You know very well what I was referring to and yet you are choosing to nitpick. My point was obvious: There was no deliberate attempt to mislead. Most cities in North America have their population numbers up-to-date in their Wikipedia page, Seattle evidently does not.
