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Now that Randy Carlyle is the HC, what happens to Allaire?

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03-02-2012, 11:59 PM
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Now that Randy Carlyle is the HC, what happens to Allaire?

Is he on death row?

I would think yes.

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Is he on death row?

I would think yes.
Ha ha ha. Not a chance. Why, Carlyle, Burke, and Allaire were all a part of that Cup winning Duck team.

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Ha ha ha. Not a chance. Why, Carlyle, Burke, and Allaire were all a part of that Cup winning Duck team.
Oh snap... I didn't realize that!! Allaire is a big part of the problem IMO.. We need to move on from him as well! What gives?

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I dont think Allaire leaving had anything to do with Carlyle, Murray or anyone in the Ducks organization.

If i recall correctly Allaire's contract was up when he left the Ducks. And his first priority was to get a job on the East Coast to be closer to his family in Montreal without going to Montreal (lol kidding). It just worked out that the Leafs hired Burke, Burke and Allaire worked well together and had great success, that the Leafs could use some more experience in regards to a goalie coach and that they are on the East Coast and probably closest to Montreal with work for them or Ottawa.

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Ha ha ha. Not a chance. Why, Carlyle, Burke, and Allaire were all a part of that Cup winning Duck team.
/ of stupid thread.

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Allaire stays. Why would Carlyle have beef with him? Goaltenders will actually get support now.

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/ of stupid thread.
Why? If Wilson, the head honcho was fired, why wouldn't the goalie coach follow in step?

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I'm more concerned about what happens to Lupul now that Carlyle is HC...

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Allaire stays. Why would Carlyle have beef with him? Goaltenders will actually get support now.
Not really sure why that has any meaning what so ever? Beef or not, Burke is the one running the show and he already fired the HC.

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Why? If Wilson, the head honcho was fired, why wouldn't the goalie coach follow in step?
Head coach != goalie coach

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I guess I chose a bad title for this thread. What I am talking about is the fact that since the HC was fired and replaced by Burke, what are the connotations for Allaire? Is he next? I am almost surprised that he wasn't sent packing along with Wison. I would suspect that he is skating on rather thing ice at this moment. IMO he gets let go in the offseason. Not sure what his contract is but I would suspect that he is gone by the beginning of 2012.

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Why do goalies keep signing with us to work with Allaire if he's such a bad goalie coach?

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Why do goalies keep signing with us to work with Allaire if he's such a bad goalie coach?
Minor leaguers... They want a contract. Where is a big name goalie? Nobody wanted to come here it seems, unless you think that Burke wasn't active in the market.

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Minor leaguers... They want a contract. Where is a big name goalie? Nobody wanted to come here it seems, unless you think that Burke wasn't active in the market.
Gustavsson was considered one of the best goalies outside the NHL at the time Burke and Allaire brought him here. We weren't the only team going after him. I believe it was somewhat of the same story when they signed Hiller in Anaheim as well. We signed Rynnas when I believe Dallas and Philly wanted him as well. So sure, every goalie wants a contract but they could've chosen to play somewhere else but instead decided they wanted to work under Allaire.

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i think Allaire should leave Reims alone, and stop trying to make him fit in his system, Reimer is NOT a butterfly system, he is a stand up goalie

Fire Allaire till he behaves himself

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Oh snap... I didn't realize that!! Allaire is a big part of the problem IMO.. We need to move on from him as well! What gives?
How is he the problem?

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Our goalies might look a lot better under a more defensive system. If we become more disciplined in our own zone and start providing support for Reimer and Gus, they might start playing the way they're capable of.

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03-03-2012, 08:13 AM
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Fire him.

When both goalies get progressively worse,it is the goalie coach and his system not working.Both goalies aren't half as good as they used to be and it isn't just support.He is trying to get them to play his style and it doesnt work for them.He isn't even humble enough to see it,so fire him too.

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i think Allaire should leave Reims alone, and stop trying to make him fit in his system, Reimer is NOT a butterfly system, he is a stand up goalie

Fire Allaire till he behaves himself
Actually, Reimer is a butterfly goalie. He seemed to do just fine last year did he not? he's a pure puck blocker, not a guy who relies much on his reflexes. He relies heavily on angles, something he's been awful at this year. He buries himself in his net and doesn't have the quickness to react. Jonas is actually the one who shouldn't be using the butterfly. He's a flopper, a Hasek or Thomas type. Jonas needed to be taught a little bit but instead he's been completely overhauled. He's really the opposite of Reimer, a reactionary goalie who relies on his athleticism. Instead, they've got the guy dropping down for everything and quite frankly, he's never looked comfortable. I'd put a lot of money that if Jonas signs elsewhere his numbers suddenly look a hell of a lot better.

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Actually, Reimer is a butterfly goalie. He seemed to do just fine last year did he not? he's a pure puck blocker, not a guy who relies much on his reflexes. He relies heavily on angles, something he's been awful at this year. He buries himself in his net and doesn't have the quickness to react. Jonas is actually the one who shouldn't be using the butterfly. He's a flopper, a Hasek or Thomas type. Jonas needed to be taught a little bit but instead he's been completely overhauled. He's really the opposite of Reimer, a reactionary goalie who relies on his athleticism. Instead, they've got the guy dropping down for everything and quite frankly, he's never looked comfortable. I'd put a lot of money that if Jonas signs elsewhere his numbers suddenly look a hell of a lot better.
all i remember from last season was Reimer playing his own style, not going down for every shot

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Ha ha ha. Not a chance. Why, Carlyle, Burke, and Allaire were all a part of that Cup winning Duck team.
Yes, part of the weird, intractable stubbornness of Burke that brought the Leafs to the situation they are in now.

Won with this combination in the past so now it's impossible for Burke to fathom fresh ideas, new personnel, moving forward. Burke is stuck in the past.

Maybe Carlyle can direct Phaneuf to go after Dominic Moore next time he plays in Toronto.

Make Burke feel all nostalgic.


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Minor leaguers... They want a contract. Where is a big name goalie? Nobody wanted to come here it seems, unless you think that Burke wasn't active in the market.
Which big name goalies have the Leafs tried to acquire and have lost out on because of Allaire?

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all i remember from last season was Reimer playing his own style, not going down for every shot
Umm Allaire has been teaching Reimer for years now. Including his AHL time. James is not playing positional at all this year. He's not playing his own style, he's been playing the buttferly for a while now except, when you bury yourself in the net, the butterfly is completely ineffective.

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People need not to worry about Lupul. Carlyle said that one of the mistakes he made with Lupul was not playing him on the left side. And Lupul should just let bygones be bygones and move on. Clean the slate and just keep tearing up with Phil.

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I don't see how Wilson's firing has anything to do with Allaire's job. Allaire was in Anaheim with Carlyle. Gustavsson has also played some of the best hockey in Leafs jersey this year. Reimer's problems stem from lack of confidence and fear of leaving the crease because of the concussion, not Allaire's teachings.

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