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03-06-2012, 05:01 PM
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Is Drillon really that different from Kerr?
My read on Kerr was that he was poor defensively largely because of his speed, but wasn't a cherrypicker. Is that wrong?

Drillon is slow and a cherrypicker

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I thought Kerr was slow and just bad defensively, Drillon was actually a floater and cherrypicker.

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In an era that is pretty weak in an all time context among defensemen, he has one good 5th place finish in Norris voting, and a 5th, 14th, and 15th in all star voting among placements that matter.
Well, I certainly respect your objectivity on this one, although I would argue that at the point in the draft where Timonen was taken, that is actually a strong AST voting record. Just as a comparable, here are the voting records of a few of the defensemen drafted ahead of Timonen:

Jamie Macoun:

1986-87: 17th
1989-90: 14th

James Patrick:

1986-87: 16th
1987-88: 8th
1991-92: 9th

Ron Stackhouse:

1974-75: 15th
1975-76: 14th
1978-79: 13th
1979-80: 9th

Phil Russell:

1975-76: 15th
1978-79: 14th

Robert Svehla:

1996-97: 17th
1999-00: 12th
2002-03: 19th

Timonen's AST record holds up well compared to those guys, all of whom were selected before him. You have to give something of a boost to defensive-defensemen Macoun and Russell, but Timonen seems to be on roughly the same level as Stackhouse and Patrick in terms of AST voting, and he has that one great skill which makes bottom-unit guys particularly valuable.

I think his draft position should continue to climb. With his special teams value, I see him as one of the most valuable 3rd pairing defensemen in the ATD, and I think he should be picked among the first 3rd pairing guys.

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03-06-2012, 05:08 PM
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Kerr would probably get there if he could. Dillon didn't want to. That's my take anyway.

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Lol...yeah. But then again, Scotty Bowman was a man about whom it was said that his team hated him every day of the year except the day they lifted the Cup. I generally take a fairly generous position on taskmaster coaches so long as they have a track record of being able to work with their players. Keenan's record is somewhat mixed in that regard and he was definitely known for running guys he didn't like out of town (often for zero or poor value from an organizational perspective), but then again, Keenan is probably the biggest hardass in the ATD not named Imlach.

My biggest question is how will Keenan come to grips with Drillon and Reinhart on his top unit.
Am I wrong thinking there are like 8 players who played for Keenan in at least three cities? Or am I exaggerating?

I know of at least one who played for him four times. Brian Noonan must have been quite the yes man.

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With the 602nd pick the Chicago Shamrocks select Brian Engblom, D


He will play next to Ted Green on both our bottom D pairing and 2nd PK unit.



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03-06-2012, 05:42 PM
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Am I wrong thinking there are like 8 players who played for Keenan in at least three cities? Or am I exaggerating?

I know of at least one who played for him four times. Brian Noonan must have been quite the yes man.
I dunno about 8 players, but yeah, Keenan definitely has his favorite muckers. He is a strange character.

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03-06-2012, 05:54 PM
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With the 602nd pick the Chicago Shamrocks select Brian Engblom, D


He will play next to Ted Green on both our bottom D pairing and 2nd PK unit.



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Excellent #6. Knowing what we know now about All Star voting, is there any reason to think Engblom is worse than fellow 2nd Teamer, Bucko McDonald?

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Well, I certainly respect your objectivity on this one, although I would argue that at the point in the draft where Timonen was taken, that is actually a strong AST voting record.
Agreed. At this point in the draft, I reckon the only guys with bigtime allstar votes are going to be players with very short careers/peaks. One year wonders, current players with only a couple years played, etc.

I certainly won't argue that Timonen should have made an allstar team, because I don't think there was ever a year that you'd rate him in the top-4 D in the league.

But at the same time, there's a lot of value in a guy who is as consistently above-average as Timonen, and who has has been a workhorse while doing it (averaging 23+ minutes per night and 80 games played per season over the last 10 seasons, plus a ton of international play). There's another D out there who I think is very similar in style, and makes an excellent reliable #6 defenseman despite never taking that next step from good to great in any given season. There's something to be said to having reliable players on the bottom pairing, especially if they can help you on special teams.


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Am I wrong thinking there are like 8 players who played for Keenan in at least three cities? Or am I exaggerating?
I think there's 5:
Greg Gilbert in CHI, NYR, STL
Stephane Matteau in CHI, NYR, STL, FLA
Brian Noonan in CHI, NYR, STL, VAN
Peter Zezel in PHI, STL, VAN
Igor Kravchuk in CHI, STL, FLA

8 members of the 94 Rangers would play on St. Louis for Keenan

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The Pittsburgh Bankers are extremely pleased to be able to select a player that we've had on our radar for the last few rounds, I just didn't want to reach to far for him but at this point I'm suprised to see he's still available. He'll fill in on our 4th line but could see some 2nd power play unit time as well. He's definately a goal-scorer

The Pittsburgh Bankers select RW/C Ernie Russell

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I think there's 5:
Greg Gilbert in CHI, NYR, STL
Stephane Matteau in CHI, NYR, STL, FLA
Brian Noonan in CHI, NYR, STL, VAN
Peter Zezel in PHI, STL, VAN
Igor Kravchuk in CHI, STL, FLA
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8 members of the 94 Rangers would play on St. Louis for Keenan
Well the 94 rangers pulled it off with like 1/4 of the 1990 oilers roster, so it was worth a shot!

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My read on Kerr was that he was poor defensively largely because of his speed, but wasn't a cherrypicker. Is that wrong?

Drillon is slow and a cherrypicker
pitseleh found in ATD12 that drillon was not slow.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=880

he was apparently lazy defensively, so he probably looked slow sometimes.

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Garnish rounds out its 3rd(Possibly 4th) line, depending on what I decide to do with my bottom 2 lines with the selection at Pick 604 of Left Winger Mike Mcphee.



Mcphee will be primarily used on our penalty kill where he was always effective. He does have 200 career goals so he can provide some offense as Luce and Smyl will but all 3 will be counted on for their defensive game.

For more on Mcphee click the following link:

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/Legen...p?player=11088

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I'll go with Pit Martin, F

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My read on Kerr was that he was poor defensively largely because of his speed, but wasn't a cherrypicker. Is that wrong?

Drillon is slow and a cherrypicker
He's also an elite scorer flanked by one of the greatest two-wayers ever, so I'm not worried.

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He's also an elite scorer flanked by one of the greatest two-wayers ever, so I'm not worried.
I'm not sure if Keenan would be so forgiving

He's definitely not slow according to that old post like we all thought, though

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I was under the impression that Gordie Drillon was a fast skater..

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I'm kinda slacking on these bios, admittedly. The newspaper articles and books on Wharram offered basically nothing, and offered little on Smith.

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With the 602nd pick the Chicago Shamrocks select Brian Engblom, D


He will play next to Ted Green on both our bottom D pairing and 2nd PK unit.



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I'll go with Pit Martin, F

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Nice picks guys, I've wanted to draft Engblom since my first year, unfortunately I needed a puck-mover for my #6 and Engblom was the furthest thing from it.

Martin is also a good pick at this point, very underrated IMO.

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Engblom's another one of those guys whose head is an invaluable intangible in this thing. He's not quite on the Barry Trotz level, but still:


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Engblom's another one of those guys whose head is an invaluable intangible in this thing. He's not quite on the Barry Trotz level, but still:


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Pretty sure I had both Stamkos and Skov last year as well.....needless to say, they didn't amount to much on my team.

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