Here's what I want to know: If Timmins drafts Forsberg or a D-man with Grigorenko and Galchenyuk still available how many posters on this board are going to have a meltdown?
I think people would live well with Forsberg. Not sure for the top Ds. I'd say at least 50% of people beleive in drafting the BPA.
The meltdown will happen if we draft 7-8 and pass on Grigorenko for someone like Girgensons Finn or Gaunce and then Grigorenko get drafted by the team right after us
Watching this team I realized that there are problems everywhere and any player drafted will fill a need.
Top centre (Girgorenko, Galchenyuk), beating a dead horse.
Top line winger (Yakupov, Forsberg), Pacioretty is on his way to becoming a top line winger. His size and speed would compliment more talented players very well. But he's not the type of player that can shoulder a good offence. Neither are players like Leblanc, Eller, Kristo, Gallagher. So a real talent on the wing that can score on any given shift is a big need.
Top defenceman (Murray). I'm sorry to say, but Gorges/Subban is not a good first pairing, at least not for a playoff team. Subban, sure, but Gorges is very limited offensively to be a top pairing guy. Tinordi and Beaulieu are both one dimensional too. The others in the system are projected as bottom pairing guys. Having a guy that is cool and calm and can play 25 mins a game is a need in my mind too.
Long story short, I won't be upset with who the Habs pick, unless it's completely off the board.
Oh please... have you heard Patrick Roy complain about Grigorenko? I'm pretty sure the hardest critics for a player are their coaches, and Roy is certainly not scared to go publicly to motivate or shake things up for one of his player. He would've been the first to actually criticize him, don't you think? And if there's anyone that knows fully who has character or not, it's Casseau.
Let him heal, he'll be back in form in the playoffs.
Yes the best way to motivate a 17 year-old player is to trash him in the media and shake his confidence
Yes the best way to motivate a 17 year-old player is to trash him in the media and shake his confidence
Glad you are not a coaching my son.
I think his point is that with Roy, it's very easy to know what he thinks of players. He loves Grigorenko and it's a good sign because he loves players that play with passion.
Yes the best way to motivate a 17 year-old player is to trash him in the media and shake his confidence
Glad you are not a coaching my son.
Patrick Roy is not one to keep quiet, but I honestly can't even recall a time he ever called out one of his own junior players to the media. He's called out coaches and maybe players on other teams, but I don't think his own.
Watching this team I realized that there are problems everywhere and any player drafted will fill a need.
Top centre (Girgorenko, Galchenyuk), beating a dead horse.
Top line winger (Yakupov, Forsberg), Pacioretty is on his way to becoming a top line winger. His size and speed would compliment more talented players very well. But he's not the type of player that can shoulder a good offence. Neither are players like Leblanc, Eller, Kristo, Gallagher. So a real talent on the wing that can score on any given shift is a big need.
Top defenceman (Murray). I'm sorry to say, but Gorges/Subban is not a good first pairing, at least not for a playoff team. Subban, sure, but Gorges is very limited offensively to be a top pairing guy. Tinordi and Beaulieu are both one dimensional too. The others in the system are projected as bottom pairing guys. Having a guy that is cool and calm and can play 25 mins a game is a need in my mind too.
Long story short, I won't be upset with who the Habs pick, unless it's completely off the board.
I've really started to agree about Subban/Gorges the more that I watch them. I think the solution there might be to change up and go with Subban/Emelin next year. Once they both have this year behind them for experience it's a pairing that could work out nicely. Also it would free u Gorges for another pairing which is especially useful since he can be used on either side without it affecting his game.
The only downfall I see to this idea is that you put both of our most physical D-men on the same pairing. This is why I hope they target a good or better still a top defenceman this offseason.
Here's what I want to know: If Timmins drafts Forsberg or a D-man with Grigorenko and Galchenyuk still available how many posters on this board are going to have a meltdown?
I won't. What petulant children we would be if we complained of having Murray, Dumba or Forsberg in our prospect pool?
I want Grigorenko, or Galchenyuk to be the guy for us. I want one of them to be the best pick. But if Timmins thinks that's just not the case, well, I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt.
I won't. What petulant children we would be if we complained of having Murray, Dumba or Forsberg in our prospect pool?
I want Grigorenko, or Galchenyuk to be the guy for us. I want one of them to be the best pick. But if Timmins thinks that's just not the case, well, I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt.
I don't think a lot of posters will have a problem but you know there will be some that will totally explode.
Galchenyuk I'm a little leery about but that could be helped if he makes it back this season and looks ok.
Personally I don't want Grigorenko unless Roy is our coach next season. Right now it's either both of them or neither of them for me. Grigorenko scares me a bit with all the attitude and effort questions but I think Roy could continue to challenge him and bring the best out of him.
As for Roy coaching, that scares me a bit too because he reminds me a lot of Mario Tremblay for his attitude. Still if we draft Grigorenko he's the one I would like to see because of what they've accomplished this year.
I won't. What petulant children we would be if we complained of having Murray, Dumba or Forsberg in our prospect pool?
I want Grigorenko, or Galchenyuk to be the guy for us. I want one of them to be the best pick. But if Timmins thinks that's just not the case, well, I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt.
100% agree with you. But I do think a lot of people will whine anyways, they always do. And if the pick works out they will be the first to jump on the bandwagon and make claims how they thought he was awesome before draft. If the pick doesn't they will run the kid out of town and then complain when he succeeds elsewhere. Same old story every year, no matter where we draft.
The player we draft will most likely not be in the nhl next year, that will be a big enough disappointment for some on here, based on the way they are planning next years lineups anyway. Fans are going to need to be patient if they ever want to win a cup again.
I think his point is that with Roy, it's very easy to know what he thinks of players. He loves Grigorenko and it's a good sign because he loves players that play with passion.
He loves Grigorenko because he wins games for him in the QMJHL and puts butts in the seats. Fans need to get a clue if they think that Roy would automatically want the Habs to draft him if he was coach or GM.
Lots of coaches and GM's are familiar with players(which they coached on other NHL teams/junior etc) doesn't mean they go out and trade for them all, or draft them ahead of better players.
I've really started to agree about Subban/Gorges the more that I watch them. I think the solution there might be to change up and go with Subban/Emelin next year. Once they both have this year behind them for experience it's a pairing that could work out nicely. Also it would free u Gorges for another pairing which is especially useful since he can be used on either side without it affecting his game.
The only downfall I see to this idea is that you put both of our most physical D-men on the same pairing. This is why I hope they target a good or better still a top defenceman this offseason.
A good example for me is the Vancouver Canucks. When they drafted Hodgson, they had Henrik Sedin, Brendan Morrison and Ryan Kesler as centres on their team. They simply picked the BPA available. They let him develop and then when they realized that keeping him was not realistic, they traded him for a big need when his value was high.
The same approach can be made with drafting Murray. If Timmins truly feels the kid can be a #1 defenceman, pick him. If Subban and Emelin keep progressing, as well as Tinordi and Beaulieu, well now you can make (hopefully) smart decisions. Obviously McDonagh for Gomez was idiotic, but trading a young player for a young player is a possibility.
He loves Grigorenko because he wins games for him in the QMJHL and puts butts in the seats. Fans need to get a clue if they think that Roy would automatically want the Habs to draft him if he was coach or GM.
Lots of coaches and GM's are familiar with players(which they coached on other NHL teams/junior etc) doesn't mean they go out and trade for them all, or draft them ahead of better players.
I'm glad someone said it. I think Roy is a lot more pragmatic than a lot of people are giving him credit for, he's very good at managing the junior game. Even a lot of his "passionate" outbursts serve a purpose of manipulating the weaker officials of the Q.
A good example for me is the Vancouver Canucks. When they drafted Hodgson, they had Henrik Sedin, Brendan Morrison and Ryan Kesler as centres on their team. They simply picked the BPA available. They let him develop and then when they realized that keeping him was not realistic, they traded him for a big need when his value was high.
The same approach can be made with drafting Murray. If Timmins truly feels the kid can be a #1 defenceman, pick him. If Subban and Emelin keep progressing, as well as Tinordi and Beaulieu, well now you can make (hopefully) smart decisions. Obviously McDonagh for Gomez was idiotic, but trading a young player for a young player is a possibility.
I think Murray is a safer pick, he will top out as a #2 or #3. Don't see us taking him...but I would see us drafting Dumba, like Beaulieu he is a bit more raw(than Murray, though Murray is a 1993 and Dumba a 1994) but has higher upside. In terms of pure upside Dumba is up there with Grigorenko and Yakubov.
Here's what I want to know: If Timmins drafts Forsberg or a D-man with Grigorenko and Galchenyuk still available how many posters on this board are going to have a meltdown?
No matter who Timmins draft this board will be having a meltdown
I think Murray is a safer pick, he will top out as a #2 or #3. Don't see us taking him...but I would see us drafting Dumba, like Beaulieu he is a bit more raw(than Murray, though Murray is a 1993 and Dumba a 1994) but has higher upside. In terms of pure upside Dumba is up there with Grigorenko and Yakubov.
I can't see us taking Murray.
It's the skating and character that makes me think Timmins loves him.
If we pick Top 5 and select Dumba, I would not be very happy. He's good and has some huge upside, but there are players with more upside and with more probability to reach that upside that can be picked before him.
100% agree with you. But I do think a lot of people will whine anyways, they always do. And if the pick works out they will be the first to jump on the bandwagon and make claims how they thought he was awesome before draft. If the pick doesn't they will run the kid out of town and then complain when he succeeds elsewhere. Same old story every year, no matter where we draft.
The player we draft will most likely not be in the nhl next year, that will be a big enough disappointment for some on here, based on the way they are planning next years lineups anyway. Fans are going to need to be patient if they ever want to win a cup again.
LOL 100% accurate... when actually there might be a handful of people who discussed the top 7 propsects this year and agree after yakupov its a hard decision.
I think his point is that with Roy, it's very easy to know what he thinks of players. He loves Grigorenko and it's a good sign because he loves players that play with passion.
Isn't the whole question with Grigorenko is how his game translates to the NHL level and that is something that doesn't concern Roy.
Isn't the whole question with Grigorenko is how his game translates to the NHL level and that is something that doesn't concern Roy.
There have been a TSN article quoting a scout saying that he does not compete enough. A lot of doubt about him come from this. It's what most Q fan oppose.
I have no idea how his game will translate. On this I'll trust the scouts!!
You don't get a chance to draft a game changing offensive player often. If we pick Murray (who I don't even think will be a top pairing D-man), Trouba or Dumba over Grigorenko or Galchenyuk, I'll be pissed.
I think his point is that with Roy, it's very easy to know what he thinks of players. He loves Grigorenko and it's a good sign because he loves players that play with passion.
Yup
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Patrick Roy is not one to keep quiet, but I honestly can't even recall a time he ever called out one of his own junior players to the media. He's called out coaches and maybe players on other teams, but I don't think his own.
I remember him going hard on Kugryshev, who was one of his best player back then. I mean if there ever was an issue about Grigs character, he'd have called it out already.
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Yes the best way to motivate a 17 year-old player is to trash him in the media and shake his confidence
Glad you are not a coaching my son.
I'm not saying I fully endorse it, but I'm just saying that's how he does it. I think it would be more widespread than that if that really was a big issue.
I would be against drafting Galchenyuk if we end up with a top 3 pick. I think it's just too risky to draft a young hockey player who had an injury that made him miss the whole season. It's bad for the development of a young hockey player.
I would take a chance on Grigorenko. Maybe his attitude problems are overblown and he compares more to Malkin than Ovechkin attitude-wise.
He also looks already ready to step in the NHL physically and maybe he could grow up to 6' 4".
Top line centers with size are so hard to get. Plus we have already a future #1 D in PK plus nice pool of young defenceman (Tinordi, Beaulieu, Emelin, Ellis, Diaz), so if a big center is available we will go for him. That said if i had to choose a defenceman, i would choose Griffin Reinhart. He was massively impressive at the prospect game. 6'4'' guy who cant skate well, play offensively, play tough. He would be my guy on defense
