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03-04-2012, 07:33 PM
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Forsberg looks awesome in this video. It's not going to be an easy pick for Timmins

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03-04-2012, 07:58 PM
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The good part about finishing 3rd or 4th or 5th worst is...we won't have to decide which one to choose/select first (that decision may go to Columbus, Edmonton...).

Could be a really tough one (of course Timmins may already know who are the less risky players to select).


Just reading up on top 10 prospects and wouldn't know who to select (and I go with BPA, or player that will most likely succeed).

Murray?? (Scott Niedermayer comparisons).

Dumba (I really love everything I read about Dumba...a mix of Phaneuf and Mike Greene... I think Dumba one day on the 2nd pairing and Subban on the 1st pairing would give our Habs one of the best defense corps in the NHL...based on what I read of course!! never saw Dumba play live!).


Galchenyuk or Forsberg or Grigorenko...??
Lots of ?? wouldn't know who to pick first.

I don't like reading about Grigorenko's work ethic being questioned...this always scares me, but I trust Timmins to know way more than a Hab fan (like me!) that is basing everything on just reading this or that!


Like others have written...really wish we had a shot at a Canadian star prospect (example: Tavares, and just for fun info...Tavares and Subban are really good friends!).


To hell with it...Gomez and our 1st Rnd Pick for Tavares and their 3rd Rnd Pick!!! (of course...why would the Isles do that?!!).

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03-04-2012, 08:07 PM
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Does anybody have more information on the following players?...

- Coda Gordon
- Jarrod Maidens
- Dane Fox
- Jaynen Rissling
- Chandler Stephenson
- Brady Vail

Thank you.

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03-04-2012, 08:26 PM
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We absolutely need to pick a big center to rely on. Desharnais won't take us far in the playoffs.
1-Grigorenko (huge potential but likely gone at our pick)
2-Forsberg (most likely candidate and a year younger)
3-Galchenyuk (injury risk)

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03-04-2012, 08:31 PM
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Forsberg is no center.

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03-04-2012, 08:49 PM
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Does anybody have more information on the following players?...

- Coda Gordon
- Jarrod Maidens
- Dane Fox
- Jaynen Rissling
- Chandler Stephenson
- Brady Vail

Thank you.
Fox is great. Enjoyed watching him with the Knights and I'm surprised at how well he's doing in Erie even though they lost McKegg and they are seriously the worst CHL team I've seen in a while.

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03-04-2012, 09:01 PM
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Forsberg is no center.
I've seen him listed as both a winger and center.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filip_Forsberg

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/team-sw...3083--spt.html

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03-04-2012, 09:02 PM
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He plays LW IIRC.

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03-04-2012, 09:05 PM
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He plays LW IIRC.
He can play both RW and LW, and does so in that vid.

He does a lot of shifting sides, much like Cammi did, playing left wing, but shifting to the right side and scoring a lot of goals from there.

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03-04-2012, 09:06 PM
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Forsberg appears to have a tremendous ability to create space for himself. Particularly off the rush.

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We absolutely need to pick a big center to rely on. Desharnais won't take us far in the playoffs.
1-Grigorenko (huge potential but likely gone at our pick)
2-Forsberg (most likely candidate and a year younger)
3-Galchenyuk (injury risk)
I would like to see proof that "big centers" are better than smaller/average sized ones.

I think the team needs a lot of upgrades(obviously standing 28th overall), I think it would be dumb to limit yourself to drafting whatever "big center" is available even if that player is not the BPA.

In terms of Desharnais he would be fine on a playoff team if Plekanec had wingers that were producing offensively(instead of White/Darche/Geoffrion). I think Eller is priogressing nicely, with PP time I think he could be a 45-50 point guy at least(currently on a 30 point pace with no PP time). I would argue that short term getting a couple top 4 d-men and top 6 wingers would be a much bigger need. After Gorges/Subban and Cole/Pacioretty we have not gotten great production.

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03-04-2012, 09:08 PM
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I would argue that short term getting a couple top 4 d-men and top 6 wingers would be a much bigger need.
This is true. But in the bigger picture we need a center or at least some sort of a top line forward.

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03-04-2012, 09:12 PM
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This is true. But in the bigger picture we need a center or at least some sort of a top line forward.
In the big picture we need a little of everything. I don't see the need to obsess over centers when in the short term our top 3 centers are the least of our problems.

I'd like a forward drafted but the focus needs to be on the BPA, not any specific position.

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03-04-2012, 09:13 PM
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Man a Forsberg + Pacioretty going forward would be mighty sweet.

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03-04-2012, 09:18 PM
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Forsberg appears to have a tremendous ability to create space for himself. Particularly off the rush.
I really like his in-zone play. He makes a lot of really smooth cuts and turns that end up making a lot of space for him, especially over by the half-boards.

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03-04-2012, 09:19 PM
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In the big picture we need a little of everything. I don't see the need to obsess over centers when in the short term our top 3 centers are the least of our problems.

I'd like a forward drafted but the focus needs to be on the BPA, not any specific position.
I absolutely agree, but in 2-3 years time those three centers may not be in the picture any longer. Tinordi, Beaulieu and Ellis will be with the team in 2-3 years also. By that time you would have a influx of new D and new centermen. I know that the Habs wont be able to accept a losing season two years in a row, and that may not happen. But I truly believe bringing players from junior at age 18 is rarely a success. For arguments sake, if we took Murray our D next year would probably be:

Markov-Emelin
Gorges-Subban
Murray-Diaz

ex: Kaberle, (physical defenseman)

Not sure if that is how it would work out. In any case I agree that having a stockpile of good young defense is an excellent thing, but at the same time we may not be able to acquire a young, potential top line forward again for some time.

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03-04-2012, 09:22 PM
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I really like his in-zone play. He makes a lot of really smooth cuts and turns that end up making a lot of space for him, especially over by the half-boards.
I don't see Forsberg ceiling as any lower than the others. He's more raw so he might be the biggest risk out of them, but his toolbox is amazing.

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03-04-2012, 09:31 PM
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I haven't heard any knocks on Grigorenko attitude wise...the knocks on him are that he is a perimiter player and doesn't always show up and compete. Lots of young players don't show up each night, but Yakupov is one that does, that's why he is rated higher even 3 inches smaller and similar skill level.
Damn that sucks. If there is something I hate, it's perimeter players.

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03-04-2012, 09:41 PM
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I don't see Forsberg ceiling as any lower than the others. He's more raw so he might be the biggest risk out of them, but his toolbox is amazing.
I agree. His puckhandling and awareness in the O-zone is really something to watch.

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03-04-2012, 09:49 PM
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I don't see Forsberg ceiling as any lower than the others. He's more raw so he might be the biggest risk out of them, but his toolbox is amazing.
There was an article where a scout was saying you know what you're going to get out of him (30ish goals, 2-way game), so he's not perceived as a risky pick, nor a very high-reward pick either (compared to the other 3 forwards).

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03-04-2012, 10:36 PM
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There was an article where a scout was saying you know what you're going to get out of him (30ish goals, 2-way game), so he's not perceived as a risky pick, nor a very high-reward pick either (compared to the other 3 forwards).
So do we take the risk of a 60 to 80 point center or we take a *almost* sure bet at a 30-30 (At least.. I think he could be 40-40 or atleast 40-30..)

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03-04-2012, 11:17 PM
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Really liking Bussières' game. Would love to have him with Nashville's 2nd.

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Really liking Bussières' game. Would love to have him with Nashville's 2nd.
I'd think we'd be able to get him with our 3rd

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03-04-2012, 11:20 PM
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I'd think we'd be able to get him with our 3rd
If the season ends today, there wouldn't be much of a difference between that 2nd and 3rd, so yea I'd just be even happier.

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