can't say i'm very surprised by this, näslund did the same thing around the same age, 2-3 elite seasons [with bertuzzi being his twin] and then back to being still very good but not among the very best
If GA in the West were to increase 7.7% I would expect that the Sedins would score perhaps 10% more points (in their games against Western teams). Not a huge difference, but a slight one.
Remember, we're dealing with percentages, not absolute values. If everyone's scoring went up 7.7% percent, then the Sedins (PPG) would already increase more in absolute terms than other players in the West because they have more points (e.g. if both a 100 pt and 50 pt player both increase 10%, one gets 10 extra points, the other gets 5 extra).
Overall, I believe the Sedins would score more in the East (even with their decline in play this year), but not enough to catch this year's top scorers. I'd cap them at 90 pts.
Obviously, the real answer is "it depends". It depends on who's getting worse. Is it just a few teams letting in a lot more goals? If it is, how often do the Sedins play them? Is it everyone getting a little worse defesively? There's no end to the analyses you could do.
Good post and I agree with you that the East/West divide matters but that the Sedin's likely would not be in the 100 pt territory this year no matter the conference they played in. I believe the reason for their totals being down is mostly on Henrik and his lack of shooting. If you look at his two big years he exceeded 150 shots over the course of the season. He's on pace for around 110 or 120 last I checked and that is enough to make a big difference even considering his low % (rebounds etc..).
Is this a matter of the Sedin's 'slowing down'? It's very possible and this is from someone who has watched them their entire careers. I think we would have to see their numbers take a bit more of a drop to really clarify for sure if we are seeing merely a valley between peaks or a sure drop in production going forward.
Well the way the game is being called now isn't exactly conducive to their playing style. They're still on pace to hit around a ppg and leading the west in scoring. If they're still slumping two weeks from now then something should be done, but there's no reason to worry at this point in the season.
Well the way the game is being called now isn't exactly conducive to their playing style. They're still on pace to hit around a ppg and leading the west in scoring. If they're still slumping two weeks from now then something should be done, but there's no reason to worry at this point in the season.
While I agree they need pp time to produce it isn't just the reduced calls.
Last year H.Sedin had 3:27 pp time a game and had 35 points, D.Sedin had 3:36 pp time a game and had 42 points.
This year H.Sedin has 3:32 pp time a game and is on pace for 26 points, D.Sedin has 3:33 pp time a game and is on pace for 29 points.
They aren't seeing less pp time they are just producing less.
They looked pretty good against the Jets, so hopefully they're rounding back into form. I personally think Henrik has been playing injured. Remember that time a few weeks back when he was in danger of breaking his iron man streak after blocking a shot? That's around the same time as the slump started.
even very good players slump, it just hasnt happened with the sedins in a long time so its more noticeable. Watching the game last night tho they were on fire, easily could have had 3 points each or so, but a hot goaltender and a couple of unlucky bounces changed that. This isnt a high scoring season for anyone, even malking and stamkos may not break 100. Canucks have so much depth and scoring though that they still win even without the sedins producing.
Certain posters, at the start of the season: "It doesn't matter how the Sedins play in the regular season this year, all that matters is what happens in the playoffs!"
Same posters, in this thread: "Look at how badly the Sedins are playing in the regular season this year, that proves they aren't any good!"
While I agree they need pp time to produce it isn't just the reduced calls.
Last year H.Sedin had 3:27 pp time a game and had 35 points, D.Sedin had 3:36 pp time a game and had 42 points.
This year H.Sedin has 3:32 pp time a game and is on pace for 26 points, D.Sedin has 3:33 pp time a game and is on pace for 29 points.
They aren't seeing less pp time they are just producing less.
I meant how there is less open ice to operate in at even strength this year. With all the clutching and grabbing they aren't able to get through the neutral zone with any speed. It's totally eliminated all those goals off the rush that came from a beauty saucer pass or two that I grew to love so much.
I really wish the NHL would figure it out and make the ice bigger already. Injuries would go down and the quality of play would go up. Too bad they care more about a couple bucks than a better product.
I meant how there is less open ice at even strength this year to operate in. With all the clutching and grabbing they aren't able to get through the neutral zone with any speed. It's totally eliminated all those goals that came from a beauty saucer pass or two off the rush that I grew to love so much.
I really wish the NHL would figure it out and make the ice bigger already. Injuries would go down and the quality of play would go up. Too bad they care more about a couple bucks than a better product.
Do you have any evidence that injuries would go down or are you just making stuff up?
If anything, faster players=bigger collisions=more injuries!
Where are the more serious nascar wrecks? At Daytona where speeds are at the greatest, or Bristol, where you are packed in so tight you can hardly move? There is more bumping in Bristol, but the wrecks at Daytona are FAR more dangerous.
I totally agree bigger ice=more excitement. But you can't play the "safety card" here. Nice try.
Do you have any evidence that injuries would go down or are you just making stuff up?
If anything, faster players=bigger collisions=more injuries!
Where are the more serious nascar wrecks? At Daytona where speeds are at the greatest, or Bristol, where you are packed in so tight you can hardly move? There is more bumping in Bristol, but the wrecks at Daytona are FAR more dangerous.
I totally agree bigger ice=more excitement. But you can't play the "safety card" here. Nice try.
Yeah it's called the ideal hockey law:
PV=nRT
Basically what it states is that as the size of the ice increases, the number of collisions decreases proportionally. It's science
Basically what it states is that as the size of the ice increases, the number of collisions decreases proportionally. It's science
Technically since you are increasing the volume size of the ice but the pressure of the game is the same then n being the number of collisions must increase since we are leaving the ideal hockey constant and Orr's constant the same so in fact we need to shrink the ice size to reduce collisions.
Technically since you are increasing the volume size of the ice but the pressure of the game is the same then n being the number of collisions must increase since we are leaving the ideal hockey constant and Orr's constant the same so in fact we need to shrink the ice size to reduce collisions.
This is a false assumption. You're confusing mental pressure with checking pressure. Since the players are more spread out they will feel less pressure from checkers and the collisions will have to decrease. n is not the number of collisions, it's the number of players on the ice. Since the number of players, Orr's constant, and the temperature all stay the same, increasing the ice size must correspond with a decrease in checking pressure.
This is a false assumption. You're confusing mental pressure with checking pressure. Since the players are more spread out they will feel less pressure from checkers and the collisions will have to decrease. n is not the number of collisions, it's the number of players on the ice. Since the number of players, Orr's constant, and the temperature all stay the same, increasing the ice size must correspond with a decrease in checking pressure.
I think we need a sports science segment on this
But won't decreasing the number of fans decrease the heat.
So now the question is what is your variable for collisions?
I posted this in the trolling thread that got locked but perhaps it's worth asking here:
When was the last time a player who finished in the top 2 in playoff scoring received as much criticism as Henrik Sedin last year? Maybe Eric Lindros in 1997?
