What's wrong with the Sedins?

[Sykur]

Originally Posted by Paranoid Android

Blaming the reffing is a cheap cop out. Is reffing a little less strict this year? Yes, but not even close to dead puck era.

Lack of PPs is also a weak argument since they are getting the exact same amount of PP time as last season. Getting more than 09/10 in fact.

Actually, this season it the WORST season in 30 years for powerplays. The refs are letting more go than they ever have in the past, including the dead puck era.

Rk Season Lg GP G PP PPO PP% PK% SA SV SV% GAA
1 2011-12 NHL 964 2.73 0.59 3.38 17.57 82.43 29.6 27.1 .914 2.54
2 2010-11 NHL 1230 2.79 0.64 3.54 18.02 81.98 30.3 27.7 .913 2.61
3 2009-10 NHL 1230 2.84 0.68 3.71 18.23 81.77 30.2 27.5 .911 2.66
4 2008-09 NHL 1230 2.91 0.79 4.16 18.95 81.05 30.1 27.4 .908 2.73
5 2007-08 NHL 1230 2.78 0.76 4.28 17.75 82.25 29.0 26.3 .909 2.61
6 2006-07 NHL 1230 2.95 0.85 4.85 17.58 82.42 29.5 26.7 .905 2.77
7 2005-06 NHL 1230 3.08 1.03 5.85 17.68 82.32 29.9 27.0 .901 2.93
8 2003-04 NHL 1230 2.57 0.70 4.24 16.46 83.54 28.0 25.5 .911 2.46
9 2002-03 NHL 1230 2.65 0.73 4.42 16.43 83.57 28.3 25.7 .909 2.55
10 2001-02 NHL 1230 2.62 0.65 4.13 15.77 84.23 27.5 25.0 .908 2.51
11 2000-01 NHL 1230 2.76 0.76 4.59 16.64 83.36 27.6 25.0 .903 2.65
12 1999-00 NHL 1148 2.75 0.65 4.03 16.15 83.85 27.9 25.2 .904 2.64
13 1998-99 NHL 1107 2.63 0.69 4.38 15.81 84.19 27.8 25.2 .908 2.54
14 1997-98 NHL 1066 2.64 0.70 4.64 15.08 84.92 27.3 24.7 .906 2.53
15 1996-97 NHL 1066 2.92 0.67 4.10 16.27 83.73 29.7 26.9 .905 2.80
16 1995-96 NHL 1066 3.14 0.90 5.04 17.93 82.07 30.2 27.1 .898 3.04
(source: http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html)

[joe89]

Not a shocker after a SC final run, really. Not the first time and not the last time. #8-9 in the scoring race, still? It's not just them.

[thecupismine]

Despite how ineffective they may appear to be some nights, they are still 1 and 2 in the west in scoring. It seems like they aren't the only top end players who are having problems scoring. Power play opportunities have gone down like crazy which is definitely one factor. Expecting them to repeat their ES production from the 09-10 season is ridiculous as well as I don't think anyone has had that level of production at ES since Mario Lemieux. They can definitely be better than they've been so far this year (especially once they get out of their funk on the powerplay), but unless we see an increase in power play opportunities I highly doubt we'll see them and many of the other stars increase their point production.

[Paranoid Android]

Originally Posted by Sykur

Actually, this season it the WORST season in 30 years for powerplays. The refs are letting more go than they ever have in the past, including the dead puck era.

Rk Season Lg GP G PP PPO PP% PK% SA SV SV% GAA
1 2011-12 NHL 964 2.73 0.59 3.38 17.57 82.43 29.6 27.1 .914 2.54
2 2010-11 NHL 1230 2.79 0.64 3.54 18.02 81.98 30.3 27.7 .913 2.61
3 2009-10 NHL 1230 2.84 0.68 3.71 18.23 81.77 30.2 27.5 .911 2.66
4 2008-09 NHL 1230 2.91 0.79 4.16 18.95 81.05 30.1 27.4 .908 2.73
5 2007-08 NHL 1230 2.78 0.76 4.28 17.75 82.25 29.0 26.3 .909 2.61
6 2006-07 NHL 1230 2.95 0.85 4.85 17.58 82.42 29.5 26.7 .905 2.77
7 2005-06 NHL 1230 3.08 1.03 5.85 17.68 82.32 29.9 27.0 .901 2.93
8 2003-04 NHL 1230 2.57 0.70 4.24 16.46 83.54 28.0 25.5 .911 2.46
9 2002-03 NHL 1230 2.65 0.73 4.42 16.43 83.57 28.3 25.7 .909 2.55
10 2001-02 NHL 1230 2.62 0.65 4.13 15.77 84.23 27.5 25.0 .908 2.51
11 2000-01 NHL 1230 2.76 0.76 4.59 16.64 83.36 27.6 25.0 .903 2.65
12 1999-00 NHL 1148 2.75 0.65 4.03 16.15 83.85 27.9 25.2 .904 2.64
13 1998-99 NHL 1107 2.63 0.69 4.38 15.81 84.19 27.8 25.2 .908 2.54
14 1997-98 NHL 1066 2.64 0.70 4.64 15.08 84.92 27.3 24.7 .906 2.53
15 1996-97 NHL 1066 2.92 0.67 4.10 16.27 83.73 29.7 26.9 .905 2.80
16 1995-96 NHL 1066 3.14 0.90 5.04 17.93 82.07 30.2 27.1 .898 3.04
(source: http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html)

Correlation does not equal causation. Players are playing much more disciplined today compared to 15 years ago. You can't possibly tell me that reffing is less strict today than in the 90s. I will never buy that argument. It's definitely less strict than right after the lockout though, but not by a whole lot. Players are learning to play the game within the rules because PPs usually end up being the difference in a game.

Sedins average 3:35 of PP time per game. Last season? Eerily similar at 3:36 per game. 3:27 the year before.

Anyway, I don't think they are playing bad. Not sure where this criticism is coming from.

[MrJonas]

The whole league has gone down significantly in scoring. I wouldn't be surprised if finishing at PPG now is actually like getting 90+ points even two years ago. The best way to measure the performance is to compare to other players, and they're best in the west.

[yoss]

Oh im pretty sure they have some magic left yet. Or Sedinery that is. Sure seemed to have enough of it to take Detroit to OT and break they're precious little home streak. Just messin with you Wings, that was a nice streak.

[Gormo]

I think their struggles have a lot to do with the difference in their powerplay:

Not as many penalties being called, which is where the Sedins have traditionally thrived. Penalties seem to be being called less and less all around the league for some reason. For example, Daniel had 42 points on the powerplay last season, and this season has only 24 to date.

Their powerplay hasnt been the same. While they still have the best percentage, the powerplay has actually largely sputtered since a red hot start at the beginning of the year and has not yet recovered its form. Kesler hasnt even been close to as effective.

Ehrhoff has a great one timer and vision, and he hasnt been replaced. When you send Rome and Burrows out there instead of Ehrhoff that explains a lot. He made the Sedins better and vise versa.

[ronnyweed]

1 and 2 in west scoring, playing 5-6 more games than eberle datsyuk and toews should be ignored however

[Brooklanders*]

The sedins are not dominate players like stamkos Crosby or Malkin but they are plenty good and come playoff time you want be questioning their play

[TOML]

They're being exposed for what they really are.

But with a 20-point division lead, can you blame the Canucks for being in 'coast mode'?

They've been waiting for the playoffs since the season began. But it'll be in the playoffs where the Sedins will likely be shut down regardless. One problem is that they aren't ever split up. That makes it easier to focus all your defensive focus on them. Cheers.


TOML

[wholesickcrew]

Originally Posted by joe89

Not a shocker after a SC final run, really. Not the first time and not the last time. #8-9 in the scoring race, still? It's not just them.

And they are still the leading scorers in the West.

[Mizral]

Guys you've got to realize, the East and the West are two different hockey leagues right now.

As others have mentioned, they are #1 and #2 in scoring in the Western conference. You take Malkin out West and he's got 10-20 less points out here. The checking in this conference this year is insane and as others have mentioned, they are getting tackled to the ice by defenders on a nightly basis.

The power play has been lukewarm which is I would say the biggest concern for Vancouver right now. Still a month away from the playoffs though, I think they'll be OK.

[Horus]

Originally Posted by Co Ho

The playoffs are just around the corner, they're just conserving energy.

This is not Dragonball. This is real life. They've just not been as good as usual. End of story.

[Frankiedarling]

I kinda agree with the "nothing to fight for", and it annoys me. I get the rationalization: they went all out last year, and just didn't have enough gas left in the tank come the Finals.

Doesn't mean I have to like it. And I'd rather they were clicking and scoring all the way into the playoffs for momentum.

But it's all moot if they can turn it on in the playoffs. As lovely as Regular Season awards are, that's not our focus atm.

[y2kcanucks]

The Sedins just aren't that good. When faced against good defensive teams like in the playoffs they are easily shut down.

[NiKrejci]

PPG players who had a couple really good seasons. Not too surprised here.

[Erza Scarlet]

They've hit their peak years and now their production will stay where it used to be or decline. Kind of like how Heatley was scoring 50 goals, 100 points to be point per game or less, or Datsyuk went from close to 100 point guy to be a decent point per game player.

[Bobby Lou]

The entire Canucks team can be forgiven for slacking when they have a 20-point division lead, and basically have second spot in the West sewn up with 20 games to go. Coming off a SCF you can't blame them for looking ahead to the post-season. They'll turn it up when the games matter. And despite it all they are still first in the league at the moment.

[DoctrSteveBrule]

Originally Posted by Co Ho

The playoffs are just around the corner, they're just conserving energy.

if you think theyre actually not trying because the playoffs are coming up, your delusional. This isnt the last game of the regular season and they get only 10 min of icetime. The only thing "conserving energy" gets you is injured.

[Islanderfan17]

I wouldn't mind seeing Vancouver win the cup this season, not that I like them, but because it'd mean that the Rangers aren't winning it

[ReverendAlBundy]

As a notorious sedin super hater, this thread pleases me.

[Dado]

Originally Posted by Co Ho

The playoffs are just around the corner, they're just conserving energy.

That almost never works.

[Stop Winnin]

The NHL is slowly heading towards a dead puck era.

[Tiranis]

Originally Posted by Mizral

Guys you've got to realize, the East and the West are two different hockey leagues right now.

As others have mentioned, they are #1 and #2 in scoring in the Western conference. You take Malkin out West and he's got 10-20 less points out here. The checking in this conference this year is insane and as others have mentioned, they are getting tackled to the ice by defenders on a nightly basis.

The power play has been lukewarm which is I would say the biggest concern for Vancouver right now. Still a month away from the playoffs though, I think they'll be OK.

I would buy that if they were putting up points consistently. They are not. 20 points in 27 games since January 1st, 15 games of those were pointless and 10 of those points came against EDM, MIN, and TOR. In that same stretch Malkin was held off the scoresheet in only 3 games.

They are not playing well at all right now. Most likely because they're tired and also because they seem to be refusing to amp up their compete level to deal with the tight checking.

[Control Denied]

they need more offensive zone starts imo