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06-01-2012, 04:41 PM
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I forgot about Nash. I could see the Flyers trading for him this off-season. Maybe something like Mez, Bob, Read and two first rounders would get it done. Then get Schenn/plus for JVR.

Nash/Giroux/Voracek would be a great top line and then you put Hartnell back with Briere to help get Briere going during the season.

Its not too bad of a lineup. There isn't a true number 1 d-man though.

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Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.350m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Tom Sestito ($0.605m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.000m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Hal Gill ($2.000m) / Matt Carle ($4.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
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Martin Biron ($0.875m)
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06-01-2012, 05:13 PM
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This is the first year I remember it not being in, but I wouldn't swear by it.

Regardless, I'd be shocked if it isn't back in. I don't see it as an issue that will be particular volatile in negotiations.

If not, send Schenn down for a game, and he's cap hit comes down a bit anyway, no? I thought his bonus required him to play 82 games or something.
We'll see if there is a bonus cushion available for the up coming Season. And sending Schenn down would be a way around that issue.

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I'm loving your understanding of this! It's complicated and many people find it hard to grasp.

The bolded, is part of the reason why LTIR isn't a "cure" for Pronger (or anyone) like some people think.

If the Flyers are operating within LTIR (aka, over the cap), they don't "bank" the unused LTIR space, which effects how much they would have to acquire a player later.

$322k can take you farther and farther as you progress through the season. At 40 days left , 322k (or $8,050 day), is the equivalent of nearly a 1.5 million dollar player (1.489 million).

LTIR doesn't allow you to do that.

LTIR is NOT cap space, and people need to understand that. It has negative ramifications.
You are correct. If you are using LTIR, you are by definition not banking Cap space.

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I don't believe I am, but if you can show prove me wrong, I'll be happy to admit it.

Edit: Nevermind, I wasn't thinking.
If they had to call someone up at the beginning of the season, they wouldn't have banked space.
However, I still don't believe they have to be able to have the space to pay the remaining amount of the contract as long as they have the banked space that day to afford it.

Still, if a player was injured for a month, they'd likely go on LTIR.

It was not available during the 2008-09 season because there was an option to terminate the agreement on 9/15/2009.
No one exercised that option, but there was the possibility of the agreement expiring, so no cushion existed because there was the possibility of no season to roll the bonuses over to.
First of all, in my original reply, I stated in case of a short term injury, in which a player wouldn't be put on LTIR

Let's look at some numbers and I'll point it out to you. The posters suggested roster left $322,500K of Cap space. Cap accounting is done daily. Since we don't as of yet know how many days the upcoming Season is, we'll use last year's total of 185 days.

So $322,500/185 = $1,743 Flyers daily Cap space available

Now let's suppose there was an injury to a forward that would have to miss a few weeks. The posters roster only contained 12 forwards, and they need to call up a forward.

We'll use as an example Tyler Hostetter, who has the cheapest Cap hit of any player currently signed by the Flyers. So let's determine his daily Cap hit.

Hostetter's full Cap hit is $544,167

So $544,177/185 = $2,941

As you can see that number is higher then the daily Flyers Cap space figure of $1,743. So they could not call up a forward from the minors to take that injured players place.

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06-01-2012, 05:33 PM
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I forgot about Nash. I could see the Flyers trading for him this off-season. Maybe something like Mez, Bob, Read and two first rounders would get it done. Then get Schenn/plus for JVR.

Nash/Giroux/Voracek would be a great top line and then you put Hartnell back with Briere to help get Briere going during the season.

Its not too bad of a lineup. There isn't a true number 1 d-man though.

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FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.350m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Tom Sestito ($0.605m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.000m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) /
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Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Hal Gill ($2.000m) / Matt Carle ($4.500m)
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CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,273,056
Why would Columbus do that?

I'm not sure about the wisdom of acquiring Nash, but they aren't going to deal him for a 26 year old 3/4/5 defenseman (the position of "strength" (cautiously used) on their roster), a 25 year old 2nd / 3rd line winger, and an inconsistent back-up goalies--with a few late 1sts sprinkled in.

It would _start with JVR or Schenn + this year's first (I think he will be traded by the draft if he is going to be dealt this offseason).

I might do the former--Nash is, after all, what we hope, in dream land, JVR might one day become, albeit at almost twice the price--basically, the cost of Jagr + JVR.

I'm not sure that is a wise course, but I don't think it makes sense to pretend that he can be had for a bunch of pieces that can be moved with little-to-no long-term pain.

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06-01-2012, 05:43 PM
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First of all, in my original reply, I stated in case of a short term injury, in which a player wouldn't be put on LTIR
You didn't state that it would be a short-term injury, just "in the first month of the season".
I thought that meant that the player would miss the whole first month, which would mean they'd likely be put on LTIR.

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Let's look at some numbers and I'll point it out to you. The posters suggested roster left $322,500K of Cap space. Cap accounting is done daily. Since we don't as of yet know how many days the upcoming Season is, we'll use last year's total of 185 days.

So $322,500/185 = $1,743 Flyers daily Cap space available

Now let's suppose there was an injury to a forward that would have to miss a few weeks. The posters roster only contained 12 forwards, and they need to call up a forward.

We'll use as an example Tyler Hostetter, who has the cheapest Cap hit of any player currently signed by the Flyers. So let's determine his daily Cap hit.

Hostetter's full Cap hit is $544,167

So $544,177/185 = $2,941

As you can see that number is higher then the daily Flyers Cap space figure of $1,743. So they could not call up a forward from the minors to take that injured players place.
Yes, but if they have $1,743 spare a day, they'll bank that.
For every two days that they bank that space, they'd be able to afford one day of Hostetter.

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06-01-2012, 05:47 PM
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My lines going into next season, barring any free agent signings other than the inevitable (I truly believe it will happen) Matt Carle signing:

J. van Riemsdyk - C. Giroux - W. Simmonds
S. Hartnell - S. Couturier - D. Briere
M. Read - B. Schenn - J. Voracek
E. Wellwood - M. Talbot - Z. Rinaldo
ex. B. Holmstrom, J. Shelley (yuck)

K. Timonen - B. Coburn
A. Meszaros - N. Grossmann
M. Carle - M. Bourdon
ex. A. Lilja (yuck), E. Gustafsson

I. Bryzgalov
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I would trade Bobrovsky for a 2nd rounder or an established player/prospect. Perhaps CBJ wants him for their 31st overall, in which we can grab someone solid. I really think we don't need to make many changes unless we're getting another top-4 defensemen or a solid, established 4th liner who can PK.

Targets (in no order):
R. Suter (duh)
Z. Parise (duh)
D. Wideman (no overpayment)
J. Garrison
B. Stuart
B. Jackman
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T. Moen
D. Winnik
P. Gaustad
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J. McClement
J. Tootoo*
G. Campbell
T. Mitchell
M. Darche
T. Pyatt
B. Prust
A. Hall*
R. Carter
Z. Kenopka

*Indicates they could be steals... I would sign Allen for $3mil and then sign Tootoo, Slater, Glass or Hall for ~$1mil, maybe two for a little under $1mil each, totaling $1.75mil. A line of Tootoo-Slater-Talbot is sexyyy.

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06-01-2012, 06:05 PM
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You didn't state that it would be a short-term injury, just "in the first month of the season".
I thought that meant that the player would miss the whole first month, which would mean they'd likely be put on LTIR.

Yes, but if they have $1,743 spare a day, they'll bank that.
For every two days that they bank that space, they'd be able to afford one day of Hostetter.
Yes I did state it.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...126839&page=26

"You don't have an extra forward, and if there is a short term injury, you don't have the Cap space to call up a player."

And as the Poster above correctly pointed out, when you are using LTIR, you by definition can't bank Cap space. Maybe re read it.

And I don't know where your getting this for every two days they'llbe able to afford one day formula.

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Yes I did state it.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...126839&page=26

"You don't have an extra forward, and if there is a short term injury, you don't have the Cap space to call up a player."

And as the Poster above correctly pointed out, when you are using LTIR, you by definition can't bank Cap space. Maybe re read it.

And I don't know where your getting this for every two days they'llbe able to afford one day formula.
My bad, I forgot about Pronger since he wasn't on the roster posted and just assumed to be on LTIR.
Out of sight out of mind, I guess.

However, the "for every two days they'll be able to afford one" is how banked cap space works.
In this case though, since they would be using LTIR, there would be no banked space.
Again, I forgot about Pronger and thus thought there'd be banked space available.

Regardless, there's no reason to continue arguing about this, as they'd have over $3m space thanks to the bonus cushion that will exist because the NHL and NHLPA are not signing an agreement that they have the option to terminate after one season and there is no reason to do away with it.

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Possible moves I want to see made.

1. Make the pitch for Suter. 6.5 for 8 years. He's not worth anything more than 6.5.

2. If that doesn't come off, then we make a play for a young Defenseman in the league.

Florida - Make an offer for either of their young D men, both have tremendous upside.

Buffalo - Tyler Myers has tremendous size and speed. Buff fans seem to have soured on him a little. Would be a fantastic replacement for Pronger. Would sell the farm for this kid.

Winnipeg - Bogosian, this kid is going to be something special.

San Jose - Vlasic, going to be considerably cheaper than the other three. Would be a great pick up. One of the best shutdown defenseman in the league with his stick.

I would put Read - Briere - Bobrovsky - 1st rounder - Mezaros and gust on the block for any of them. Hell I would put them all up for one of them.

3. We could really do with the clear the porch defenseman. Doug Murray would be a cheap and great pick up for this team. Would help Bryz considerably with the crap he had to deal with this year. 2nd round pick was the asking price this season, I would easily make that deal.

4. We need a face-off specialist. Schenn had a tremendous season in the circle, along with Giroux. But you can't rely on two guys to make the big draws all season. Couturier is still young and will take a couple of years to develop his skill.

5. We desperatly need a forward with some size and skill. We got completley dominated physically against the pens and devils. We could do with a solid 6-4+ guy to crash the net.

6. Draft the BPA. Forget about drafting on position. Draft what they believe will be the best player. We can worry about trading for a defenseman with the talent that we find.

7. Sign a cheap backup goaltender that can be replaced by Hoivenen when he has gained enough experience in the AHL.

8. Briere to be traded. There will be a long list of teams that would still take a play-off performer like Briere. I believe his regular season performance would return on a team that uses him as a direct 1C. His Salary against production doesn't cut it with the flyers anymore, Not to mention that we have such a good young core down the middle. We need the icetime for the younger guys, and we need the money on D.

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Hartnell - Giroux - JVR
Simmonds - Schenn - Voracek
Big FA Winger - Couturier - Read
Talbot - FO Specialist - Rinaldo
Sestito

Suter (Bogo/Vlasic/Kulikov/Myers) - Mezaros
Coburn - Grossmann
Timonen - Murray
Gustaffson

Bryz
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In my ideal world

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I'm not sure we can justify giving Suter less than we gave Timonen, though. The cap has gone up quite a bit since then. My gut tells me that 7.3-7.5 will be his number, and possibly more. Of course, I've been feeding my gut a good amount of vodka so it might be wrong.

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4. We need a face-off specialist. Schenn had a tremendous season in the circle, along with Giroux. But you can't rely on two guys to make the big draws all season. Couturier is still young and will take a couple of years to develop his skill.

Schenn had a tremendous Season in the circle? Schenn' FO% in the playoffs was 43.2%. And it was 46.1% during the reg Season. How is that tremendous?

Couturier was 53.2% in the playoffs which is very good. While he was at 47% in the regular Season.

Seems like Couturier is the better FO guy over Schenn

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There is a significant difference though. Kimmo was signing with the worst team in the league, after coming off back to back 50 point seasons, while being the 1# defenseman on his team.

Suter will be signing with a Stanley cup hopefull, on a stacked team.

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Assuming Suter is too expensive... Hypothetical situation:

Would you rather the Flyers re-sign Carle @ 3.5m a year
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Overpay to get Wideman @ 5.0m a year?

I think we could sign Carle at that price before he becomes a UFA, whereas someone will offer Wideman 5 million per.

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No chance we get Carle at 3.5 a year. Personally I wouldn't want him at that price either.

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Also, thinking ahead to Timonen being tired by the end of the season and our curse of injuries to D. We need the Phantoms to have some veteran "been there done that" Defensemen even if it is AHL playoff experience.

These players should be guys content playing in the AHL but capable of playing 10-12 minutes in the NHL when needed. Any thoughts on who meets that description?

Nolan Baumgartner
Mike Mottau
Doug Janik
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With the cap raise and Lindstrom now retiring, I wouldnt be surprised if Carle is looking for 6.0-6.5 mil a year give or take. And I bet there are teams out there that will give him that.

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Also, thinking ahead to Timonen being tired by the end of the season and our curse of injuries to D. We need the Phantoms to have some veteran "been there done that" Defensemen even if it is AHL playoff experience.

These players should be guys content playing in the AHL but capable of playing 10-12 minutes in the NHL when needed. Any thoughts on who meets that description?

Nolan Baumgartner
Mike Mottau
Doug Janik
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Wouldn't mind this guy for the Phantoms. He played with the Bruins in the 1st round of the playoffs.

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Possible moves I want to see made.

1. Make the pitch for Suter. 6.5 for 8 years. He's not worth anything more than 6.5.

2. If that doesn't come off, then we make a play for a young Defenseman in the league.

Florida - Make an offer for either of their young D men, both have tremendous upside.

Buffalo - Tyler Myers has tremendous size and speed. Buff fans seem to have soured on him a little. Would be a fantastic replacement for Pronger. Would sell the farm for this kid.

Winnipeg - Bogosian, this kid is going to be something special.

San Jose - Vlasic, going to be considerably cheaper than the other three. Would be a great pick up. One of the best shutdown defenseman in the league with his stick.

I would put Read - Briere - Bobrovsky - 1st rounder - Mezaros and gust on the block for any of them. Hell I would put them all up for one of them.

3. We could really do with the clear the porch defenseman. Doug Murray would be a cheap and great pick up for this team. Would help Bryz considerably with the crap he had to deal with this year. 2nd round pick was the asking price this season, I would easily make that deal.

4. We need a face-off specialist. Schenn had a tremendous season in the circle, along with Giroux. But you can't rely on two guys to make the big draws all season. Couturier is still young and will take a couple of years to develop his skill.

5. We desperatly need a forward with some size and skill. We got completley dominated physically against the pens and devils. We could do with a solid 6-4+ guy to crash the net.

6. Draft the BPA. Forget about drafting on position. Draft what they believe will be the best player. We can worry about trading for a defenseman with the talent that we find.

7. Sign a cheap backup goaltender that can be replaced by Hoivenen when he has gained enough experience in the AHL.

8. Briere to be traded. There will be a long list of teams that would still take a play-off performer like Briere. I believe his regular season performance would return on a team that uses him as a direct 1C. His Salary against production doesn't cut it with the flyers anymore, Not to mention that we have such a good young core down the middle. We need the icetime for the younger guys, and we need the money on D.

Team I would like to see.

Hartnell - Giroux - JVR
Simmonds - Schenn - Voracek
Big FA Winger - Couturier - Read
Talbot - FO Specialist - Rinaldo
Sestito

Suter (Bogo/Vlasic/Kulikov/Myers) - Mezaros
Coburn - Grossmann
Timonen - Murray
Gustaffson

Bryz
FA


In my ideal world
While I would love Myers I don't see any way the sabres deal him, barring a massive overpayment.

I don't know that vlasic would be as easily attainable as you suggest either, unless San jose decides they want to rebuild, which I also don't see happening.

I think Murray could be had though, and I wouldn't mind him for the 3rd pairing. He brings a level of intimidation that no one else on our blueline can, sans beast mode Coburn, who is a folk tale most of the time.

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Assuming Suter is too expensive... Hypothetical situation:

Would you rather the Flyers re-sign Carle @ 3.5m a year
or
Overpay to get Wideman @ 5.0m a year?

I think we could sign Carle at that price before he becomes a UFA, whereas someone will offer Wideman 5 million per.
Offering Carle that wouldn't even get a conversation started.

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With the cap raise and Lindstrom now retiring, I wouldnt be surprised if Carle is looking for 6.0-6.5 mil a year give or take. And I bet there are teams out there that will give him that.
Carle wouldn't get that. He's a 5M maybe 5.5M player on the open market.

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i can only say that I'm [B]really[/B] glad that some of you guys are NOT our GM......

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We have to be careful with long term contracts (ie for Suter), because we already have Bryz's contract for 8 more years to deal with + Briere's 6.5M for a couple of years too. We have to give Giroux a raise soon, and he's the priority IMO. Players like Couturier, Schenn and Voracek will also need raises.

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Offering Carle that wouldn't even get a conversation started.



Carle wouldn't get that. He's a 5M maybe 5.5M player on the open market.
Really? I think Carle can easily exceed that. Wisniewski got 5.5 last season and he's an even worse defender than Carle is. Carle will get paid this off season and some team will give him a boat load of money.

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I forgot about Nash. I could see the Flyers trading for him this off-season. Maybe something like Mez, Bob, Read and two first rounders would get it done. Then get Schenn/plus for JVR.

Nash/Giroux/Voracek would be a great top line and then you put Hartnell back with Briere to help get Briere going during the season.

Its not too bad of a lineup. There isn't a true number 1 d-man though.

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FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.350m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Tom Sestito ($0.605m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.000m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Hal Gill ($2.000m) / Matt Carle ($4.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Martin Biron ($0.875m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,026,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,273,056

I think trading for Nash would be way too much, and his contract is ****ing expensive.

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Really? I think Carle can easily exceed that. Wisniewski got 5.5 last season and he's an even worse defender than Carle is. Carle will get paid this off season and some team will give him a boat load of money.
Wiz got overpaid by the worst team in the league. Carle will absolutely not get $6M. That is absurd.

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If I'm playing GM, these are the moves I make:

1) Letting Matt Carle walk. As much as I hate the idea of letting Carle walk for nothing, fact is, since the retirement of Lidstrom, the defense position is now even more of a premium in terms of cost. Someone is going to pay Carle a boatload of money. If Wisniewski got 5.5 from Columbus, someone will give Carle 6.

2) Arrange a swap with St.Louis for the rights to Barret Jackman and make a deal for Ian Cole. While neither are big point producers, they are solid defensive guys. On top of it, Jackman is a mean SOB, something currently missing from the blue line. As well, bringing those two guys on board allows the Flyers to start using Coburn in a more offensive role again.

3) Draft the best player available. With the way the draft is this year, the Flyers are going to get a solid defenseman. Whether it be Koekkoek, Schmaltz, Finn, Lindholm, Bystrom, Skjei, etc......they're going to get a real good defenseman. The only way I don't see them taking a defenseman is if one of the top rated forwards really drops on draft day.

4) Free agency should be about adding a face off specialist. Yes, Suter is a free agent this year. However, Detroit is going to throw whatever they can at him. On top of it, Giroux is going to be a free agent soon. The Flyers need to think about that - are they willing to pay Suter more money than what they can offer Giroux? Doubt it. Instead of trying to spend hordes of money on Suter, they need to find a face off specialist that can help the young guys on the team. I know Gaustad is a popular guy who is going to attract lots of attention, but Jarret Stoll or Jay McClement would be just as good in that role. It also frees up a guy like Couturier from having to do fourth line work and the Flyers can then concentrate on developing Couturier's offensive game. Stoll and McClement are good teammates as well, so they'd know what their role is. And, if the Kings win the Stanley Cup this year, the Flyers could possibly add another player who has had his name on the Cup, which only helps.

5) Trades. I don't think a blockbuster needs to be made this year. Instead, I think a tweak here and there can be made. Maybe a trade of a guy like Bobrovsky can be used to help replenish draft picks.

Anyways, that would be my plan for the off season.

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Really? I think Carle can easily exceed that. Wisniewski got 5.5 last season and he's an even worse defender than Carle is. Carle will get paid this off season and some team will give him a boat load of money.
We'll see what happens. I think there is a very strong chance that Carle will be re-signing with the Flyers for around 5M maybe a little less.

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