perhaps the Oilers could trade for his rights. A conditional deal dependant on Schultz signing here. For example, a 4th rounder if he walks, MPS if he signs.
Are we a better tema with Schultz instead of MPS (or Hamilton/Pitlick etc)?
perhaps the Oilers could trade for his rights. A conditional deal dependant on Schultz signing here. For example, a 4th rounder if he walks, MPS if he signs.
Are we a better tema with Schultz instead of MPS (or Hamilton/Pitlick etc)?
Helllll no, plus you dont offer a player conditionally. I dont think that would go over well IMO.
Helllll no, plus you dont offer a player conditionally. I dont think that would go over well IMO.
Exactly. Terrible idea to offer him conditionally. You could offer a 4th, and if he signs, give them a 3rd or 2nd the following year, but no actual players conditionally.
everyone needs to stop selling prv. hes a good prospect, with upside, and even though he may not use it as much as we like has size. which we lack desperately, and to a certain extent he will grow into that.
Whats with CBJ playing Johansen on the 4th line? If im the oilers I am trying to pry him away for next year! guys a stud
Slowly breaking him in. Boston did it with Seguin last year, and with Thornton as a rookie. Thornton didn't suffer from it, and it doesn't look like Seguin is either. Not every player can break into the league in the top 6.
Slowly breaking him in. Boston did it with Seguin last year, and with Thornton as a rookie. Thornton didn't suffer from it, and it doesn't look like Seguin is either. Not every player can break into the league in the top 6.
The fact that its Colubus scares me, remember Brule??
Rights to Schultz for a conditional 5th that turns into their 2nd next year if he signs with the Oilers. (not my idea, someone proposed it a few pages back and I liked it)
Sign a guy like Garrison, and I think our D would be better.
With regards to Schultz, I've seen a few reports saying people who have covered the Wisconsin hockey program for a while (including their pbp guy) suggesting he was one of the best(I've seen him ranked top-5) to ever play for that program.
We definitely get out of picking top-5 next year. If we aim for realistic targets, that has to be the main target there. Out of the top-5.
And we absolutely cannot have Potter or Sutton as a regular for us next year. I don't care if we step on some toes, those guy need to be #7 at best and come in if we have injury or something.
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Rights to Schultz for a conditional 5th that turns into their 2nd next year if he signs with the Oilers. (not my idea, someone proposed it a few pages back and I liked it)
Sign a guy like Garrison, and I think our D would be better.
With regards to Schultz, I've seen a few reports saying people who have covered the Wisconsin hockey program for a while (including their pbp guy) suggesting he was one of the best(I've seen him ranked top-5) to ever play for that program.
We definitely get out of picking top-5 next year. If we aim for realistic targets, that has to be the main target there. Out of the top-5.
And we absolutely cannot have Potter or Sutton as a regular for us next year. I don't care if we step on some toes, those guy need to be #7 at best and come in if we have injury or something.
Totally agree with Sutton and Potter being 7 & 8. That means Peckham is definitely gone as we will not carry 9 d-men and he has a 1 way contract. Blue line next year:
Petry
Smid
Whitney
Schultz
X
Y
Sutton
Potter
If we draft Murray, he becomes an X or Y. If we draft Dumba, I have a feeling he will be back in Red Deer. Hopefully we can fill one of the spots with a UFA. I don't think we can count on any help from prospects in our system currently unless 3 d-men are out. I wonder if Fedun has the ability to play better than Sutton or Potter?
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I know this has been said about a million times but I was impressed with Potter at the start of the year but since coming back from injury he has just not looked like an NHL level defender. There is a reason he has been an AHL dman for 5+ years. His decision making and all around ability is just far below anything more than a #8. Kind of sucks, he was a nice story but why on earth was he rewarded with a 2 year 1-way deal based on 30(?) games is beyond me.
Yeah I'm happy as long as Sutton and Potter aren't regulars next year. Defintiely need two new d-men on the team in addition to Smid, Petry, Whitney and Schultz.
I would assume that at least one of Peckham, Sutton or Potter will be gone before next season. I would lean towards Peckham although I'd hope for it to be Potter.
Yeah I'm happy as long as Sutton and Potter aren't regulars next year. Defintiely need two new d-men on the team in addition to Smid, Petry, Whitney and Schultz.
Agreed, that's the problem this year, Peckham is about a 7/8, and Barker is playing like a 10/11, so it's forced Potter and Sutton into more icetime then they should get.
Imagine for a second, that instead of Ryan Suter hunting, though I hope the Oilers do that, they go for a couple mid-range bodies that can contribute and eat minutes, here's my short list
Garrison
Grossman
Jurcina
Zanon
Allen
Carle
Oduya
Morrison
These guys, imo, would provide depth and be able to eat some minutes so as to not over burden the top-4 as they are now.
Agreed, that's the problem this year, Peckham is about a 7/8, and Barker is playing like a 10/11, so it's forced Potter and Sutton into more icetime then they should get.
Imagine for a second, that instead of Ryan Suter hunting, though I hope the Oilers do that, they go for a couple mid-range bodies that can contribute and eat minutes, here's my short list
Garrison
Grossman
Jurcina
Zanon
Allen
Carle
Oduya
Morrison
These guys, imo, would provide depth and be able to eat some minutes so as to not over burden the top-4 as they are now.
Garrison tops my list. He's an offensive minded guy whose only downside is being a lefty. I could see him playing well with Schultz, or he can Whitney can battle it out for #4.
We need to get this guy on our team to make Schultz feel more comfortable. Can't imagine the laughter that would ensue as Schultz yells at him to take a pass.
Garrison tops my list. He's an offensive minded guy whose only downside is being a lefty. I could see him playing well with Schultz, or he can Whitney can battle it out for #4.
He's played top-pairing minutes with Campbell this season on the right side.
He can play both equally well. And he has a bomb from the point.
Whitney isn't in my top-4 next season. Far too inconsistent this season, and I'm seriously question his hockey sense and positioning.
The problem with asking for than one guy on D is the year after, regardless of the 3-5M rise in capspace, we'll still need to sign Hall, Eberle, Smid + others. We can't exactly sink 5-7M into free agent d-man.
The reason why a guy like Schultz is so nice, 1M/yr for the next 2 years would give us a cheap and effective D-man from the backend, who would produce offense too.
Agreed, that's the problem this year, Peckham is about a 7/8, and Barker is playing like a 10/11, so it's forced Potter and Sutton into more icetime then they should get.
Imagine for a second, that instead of Ryan Suter hunting, though I hope the Oilers do that, they go for a couple mid-range bodies that can contribute and eat minutes, here's my short list
Garrison
Grossman
Jurcina
Zanon
Allen
Carle
Oduya
Morrison
These guys, imo, would provide depth and be able to eat some minutes so as to not over burden the top-4 as they are now.
I really like the idea above to sign a guy like Garrison or almost anyone on your list and then try to go for Schultz if he doesn't sign in Anaheim. That and the fact that we should be drafting a d-man with the number 2 or 3 overall I think would be ideal.
He's played top-pairing minutes with Campbell this season on the right side.
He can play both equally well. And he has a bomb from the point.
Whitney isn't in my top-4 next season. Far too inconsistent this season, and I'm seriously question his hockey sense and positioning.
The problem with asking for than one guy on D is the year after, regardless of the 3-5M rise in capspace, we'll still need to sign Hall, Eberle, Smid + others. We can't exactly sink 5-7M into free agent d-man.
The reason why a guy like Schultz is so nice, 1M/yr for the next 2 years would give us a cheap and effective D-man from the backend, who would produce offense too.
First, we dont know what kind of term he's looking at, only the price.
Second, going from the deep south to Canada is ****ing terrible. Sorry but I'd never want to move back to Canada (unless someone payed me 4 million dollars of course)
We both agree that next year is a non-issue in terms of cap.
Whitney will be off the books when the kids need to be resigned, so why dont we just make him the "next Whitney." If Whitney does return to form, which some see as impossible but a whole 5 months off for training may do wonders for him, we have Barker, Sutton, and Peckham's salary off the books (whopping 5 million right there).
As for the kids, Smyth, Khabi, and the buyouts off the books should be enough to sign them. The only hiccup I see is resgning Smid (and Schultz).
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