I'd bet my left nut they get identical contracts, and if one person does get paid more, it'd be Hall
I'm curious as to why they'd be the same?
Eberle is the better player of the two. That much is easier to see. Apart from being a higher draft pick, what leverage would Hall's agent have to get a bigger deal than Eberle?
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Eberle is the better player of the two. That much is easier to see. Apart from being a higher draft pick, what leverage would Hall's agent have to get a bigger deal than Eberle?
Eberle's numbers are a little unsustainable, he's playing a little better than he is right now. Hall is better player but this isn't me knocking Eberle, just can't sustain 20 percent SP
just like in chicago...kane had significantly more points than toews.
if they can sell our best players on equal, reasonable deals, it directly makes it easier to budget the team going forward and indirectly makes it easier to negotiate contracts with the support players on the team.
i think the three of them are pretty smart and see the benefits to the team, and therefore their careers.
Eberle's numbers are a little unsustainable, he's playing a little better than he is right now. Hall is better player but this isn't me knocking Eberle, just can't sustain 20 percent SP
The shooting % may not be sustainable long-term, but he has better hands and thinks the game better than Hall, and that is sustainable and likely to continue over their entire careers. if you tell Eberle's agent you are paying Hall more than him because his play isn't sustainable, what do you think Eberle would say? The player will never take less money just because someone tells him his SP is tough to duplicate.
I'd still assume they get similar deals. I can't see either one of them being more important enough to warrant a million more than the other, and what would be the point of giving one of them 500k more a year? That can only provide issues IMO.
IMO we need another puck mover in our top 4 unless Whitney returns to form. I'm fine with Smid and Schultz as our stay at home top 4 guys for now.
The only thing I would add is that top 4 puck mover is good at D.
I had hoped that with the addition of Shultz we could maybe add a Widemen. While defensively he is below par, but offensively he'd not only add offense from the backend (something we sorely lack) but also help our transition game (something that really sucks too).
After the TDD, I see it's not an option. Our D is made up of 3 players who are good defensively (Smid, Petry and Shultz), and the rest are not far from pylon status.
The shooting % may not be sustainable long-term, but he has better hands and thinks the game better than Hall, and that is sustainable and likely to continue over their entire careers. if you tell Eberle's agent you are paying Hall more than him because his play isn't sustainable, what do you think Eberle would say? The player will never take less money just because someone tells him his SP is tough to duplicate.
I'd still assume they get similar deals. I can't see either one of them being more important enough to warrant a million more than the other, and what would be the point of giving one of them 500k more a year? That can only provide issues IMO.
All 3 kids get the same deal, all is well.
hall rnh eberle most likely will all sign for very similar contracts...comparison to tavares/toews/kane.
The only thing I would add is that top 4 puck mover is good at D.
I had hoped that with the addition of Shultz we could maybe add a Widemen. While defensively he is below par, but offensively he'd not only add offense from the backend (something we sorely lack) but also help our transition game (something that really sucks too).
After the TDD, I see it's not an option. Our D is made up of 3 players who are good defensively (Smid, Petry and Shultz), and the rest are not far from pylon status.
This is one thing that has become painfully obvious this year. I'm not even as concerned about our back end putting up points as I am about this. It seems like almost none (Petry maybe?) can take the puck on a regroup in our zone or the neutral zone and hit a forward in stride. It seems like it's always get to the red line and dump it in or fire it up the boards and hope for a lucky bounce. That is fine from your bottom pairing guys but just imagine the transition capability of Hall and even PRV if they could get passes on their tape in flight.
Eberle's numbers are a little unsustainable, he's playing a little better than he is right now. Hall is better player but this isn't me knocking Eberle, just can't sustain 20 percent SP
Eberle is also getting some of the lowest TOI per game compared to the other players with similar stats as him.
This is one thing that has become painfully obvious this year. I'm not even as concerned about our back end putting up points as I am about this. It seems like almost none (Petry maybe?) can take the puck on a regroup in our zone or the neutral zone and hit a forward in stride. It seems like it's always get to the red line and dump it in or fire it up the boards and hope for a lucky bounce. That is fine from your bottom pairing guys but just imagine the transition capability of Hall and even PRV if they could get passes on their tape in flight.
Whits can sometimes do this as well but for a second pairing we need more consistency from him. I would like a pairing a puck mover shut down for all three pairings going forward we do not need anything special if we can establish pairings that can constantly move the puck up.
Whits can sometimes do this as well but for a second pairing we need more consistency from him. I would like a pairing a puck mover shut down for all three pairings going forward we do not need anything special if we can establish pairings that can constantly move the puck up.
Yeah you're right, sometimes Whitney makes really nice passes like that but like it's been discussed ad naseum here, the injury situation and resulting inconsistency puts his future role into question.
Yeah you're right, sometimes Whitney makes really nice passes like that but like it's been discussed ad naseum here, the injury situation and resulting inconsistency puts his future role into question.
The question is: does he have any future on the Oilers? You obviously knew that was the question though as you have already implied that no, he does not.
Yeah you're right, sometimes Whitney makes really nice passes like that but like it's been discussed ad naseum here, the injury situation and resulting inconsistency puts his future role into question.
The problem is Whitney doesn't have the hockey sense to use the pass. And now his mobility is shot, it really hampers his effectiveness.
A play I remember was vs. Colorado with Whitney behind our net. He pass from behind our net, straight to a stick of an Av, resulting in a really good scoring chance (I dunno how they didn't score).
The problem is Whitney doesn't have the hockey sense to use the pass. And now his mobility is shot, it really hampers his effectiveness.
A play I remember was vs. Colorado with Whitney behind our net. He pass from behind our net, straight to a stick of an Av, resulting in a really good scoring chance (I dunno how they didn't score).
Uh no.
He doesn't have the body (ankle) to keep up with his mind. And yes that will affect passing, even near stationary moments, you have to be able to quickly move to change the angle before passing.
I still feel that it would be in our best interest to trade our first this year for a still young top pairing guy. It would be a mistake not to somehow address our d this summer, and our first is our best tradable asset.
I still feel that it would be in our best interest to trade our first this year for a still young top pairing guy. It would be a mistake not to somehow address our d this summer, and our first is our best tradable asset.
yeah but who?
OEL is the only viable candidate and phx might still rather keep him.
theres no one else who has enough upside and yet the team would be willing to let him go.
OEL is the only viable candidate and phx might still rather keep him.
theres no one else who has enough upside and yet the team would be willing to let him go.
This is what I feel too, and it will all depend what Coyotes feel about who will be available at that pick. If they think Grigs or Gally can be their #1 center of the future, they may consider it.
I can see Tambellini making a move for Erik Johnson this summer. He's exactly the type of high pedigree, buy-low player that the Oilers love to acquire.
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I can see Tambellini making a move for Erik Johnson this summer. He's exactly the type of high pedigree, buy-low player that the Oilers love to acquire.
He's been playing like a legit #1D this season.
I wouldn't really consider him a buy-low candidate.
I wouldn't really consider him a buy-low candidate.
Top 4 D maybe, I'm not sure I'd consider him a legit 1D at this point. Nevertheless, he has yet to fully live up to his draft pedigree, and the Oilers do have the assets to acquire him if they wanted.
I can see Tambellini making a move for Erik Johnson this summer. He's exactly the type of high pedigree, buy-low player that the Oilers love to acquire.
If only he were a buy-low player.
He's definitely a top-pairing defenseman who is a major reason Colorado is still in the playoff hunt. Also, no chance that the Avs trade him within the division.
I'd love me some Marc Staal. Another option that i'd be very ok with is trading the #2 overall pick for Sean Couturier.
He's definitely a top-pairing defenseman who is a major reason Colorado is still in the playoff hunt. Also, no chance that the Avs trade him within the division.
I'd love me some Marc Staal. Another option that i'd be very ok with is trading the #2 overall pick for Sean Couturier.
If for some reason CBJ don't pick Yakapov and he is on the board for us I would trade that pick for Couturier in a heart beat. Philly might just think about it as well.
If for some reason CBJ don't pick Yakapov and he is on the board for us I would trade that pick for Couturier in a heart beat. Philly might just think about it as well.
I still have no idea how he slipped to 8. The guy is a complete Stud and a lot of teams will be kicking themselves within a few years.
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