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03-05-2012, 07:05 PM
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Is at actually realistic that Tippett would become available if Phoenix moves?
I'd think it would make it less realistic, since the organization would have a private ownership group at that point.

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03-06-2012, 09:06 AM
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What about Neil Smith for GM?

I know he got let go from the Isles, but that was due to Wang being...well a Wang.
Lafontaine quit the same day Smith was fired so he`s got the cred.

He traded for Mactavish for the Rangers Cup run, so I`m sure Mac T would be a top candidate.
I've been tooting the Neil Smith horn for about 10 years now. The guy took risks but brought a cup to NY where there is tremendous pressure to "win now" with the fans and under that owner.

He came into the Isles, made some good signings and brought in a good coach, and promptly got aced. I think the Isles made the playoffs with that roster and haven't since. Could be wrong.

Fact is there are GMs out there and other coaches too.

I just hope we don't get another trapping coach like Tippett. I despise the trapping strategies and any coach who has a track record of strictly adhering to it.

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Ugh, Neil Smith. Tinner I deduct a karma point for that .

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Ugh, Neil Smith. Tinner I deduct a karma point for that .
haha at least it was only one point!

Why no love for Smith?

Isn't he the main one that discovered Lidstrom and others when he was with the wings as a scout? or do I have that wrong?

I know he brought a cup to the Rangers...the american version of the Leafs. In those big hockey markets it is much harder to accomplish as there is tremendous pressure to win every year...the fans/owners of these teams don't understand the word "rebuild".

He comes to the Isles and hires Nolan. I believe he signed Witt and Poti right? If so those moves were a big reason the Isles made the playoffs that year.

If Smith had held onto all his picks/prospects then NY may have never won a cup and turned out very much like us now.

I also remember he is the one that traded for Messier (and Buekeboom!) for a washed up Bernie Nichols and scrubs. I think he may have gotten Adam Graves in a separate trade.

They made it to the ECF in 97 and after he was fired a couple years later Sather took over and they have won just one playoff series since. (I think)

I mean he is an accomplished GM I'd say.

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03-06-2012, 01:45 PM
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I've been tooting the Neil Smith horn for about 10 years now. The guy took risks but brought a cup to NY where there is tremendous pressure to "win now" with the fans and under that owner.

He came into the Isles, made some good signings and brought in a good coach, and promptly got aced. I think the Isles made the playoffs with that roster and haven't since. Could be wrong.

Fact is there are GMs out there and other coaches too.

I just hope we don't get another trapping coach like Tippett. I despise the trapping strategies and any coach who has a track record of strictly adhering to it.
I totally agree on Tippett......we need a coach who can expose this team`s strengths!

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IIRC MacT often clashed with management , which I'd imagine would turn teams off.
wouldn`t clash with Neil Smith

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repeat: craig patrick.

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repeat: craig patrick.
ding ding ding.

championship pedigree, solid draft record, not afraid to make a big trade.

cannot imagine he would not at least be interested in leaving his consulting role with CBJ to join the Caps full-time.

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ding ding ding.

championship pedigree, solid draft record, not afraid to make a big trade.

cannot imagine he would not at least be interested in leaving his consulting role with CBJ to join the Caps full-time.
to quote myself - CP is the guy who would have the nuts to trade Ovy.

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repeat: craig patrick.
Another good one.

Fact is there are some GMs out there with experience and a cup ring that are proven commodities.

If GMGM gets canned there are options out there for sure.

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to quote myself - CP is the guy who would have the nuts to trade Ovy.
It wouldn't matter. Ted would veto any such trade-as he should.

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repeat: Craig patrick.

"again!"

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It wouldn't matter. Ted would veto any such trade-as he should.
a 26 year old gretzky was traded to la following his eighth consecutive 100 point season. you think Ovy is untoucheable?

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a 26 year old gretzky was traded to la following his eighth consecutive 100 point season. you think Ovy is untoucheable?
He wasn't traded, he was sold.

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a 26 year old gretzky was traded to la following his eighth consecutive 100 point season. you think Ovy is untoucheable?
In this market...yes.

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He wasn't traded, he was sold.
semantics. the oilers organization let him go.

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semantics. the oilers organization let him go.
Not really. Pocklington has been claiming for years that the $15 million kept the team from bankruptcy and I've never read anything to contradict that.

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Not really. Pocklington has been claiming for years that the $15 million kept the team from bankruptcy and I've never read anything to contradict that.
no argument from me. i am just saying - i do not think Ovy is untouchable.

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no argument from me. i am just saying - i do not think Ovy is untouchable.
He is.

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no argument from me. i am just saying - i do not think Ovy is untouchable.
ovechkin is probably 75% of the reason fannie's are in the seats at VC as opposed to fans disguised as seats. the team actually winning on a regular basis is the remaining 25%.

however, if his and the team's schnide continue, ted would have to think long and hard about trading him before it's too late. too late meaning, the team is a total quagmire and ovechkin's trade value is, at best, something akin to what oates netted.

right now, he's untouchable, as he's still the biggest reason a lot of people go to the games here even with his subpar play. this time next year? he and the team in the same position.......who knows, if a new GM and coach are in place and they report issues with him.......

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patrick is a patrick and you would think dick patrick would have a little sway there.

ovechkin. either he is going to get better or he is going to want to be traded. the space between where he is now and whooping is maybe one season. so, trading ovechkin wont take balls if they wait much longer. for those that think its a bad idea, that fine. either he gets better next season or the pressure on him to deliver will break the relationship with the media and fans.

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no argument from me. i am just saying - i do not think Ovy is untouchable.
He was literally traded in a manner that is no longer possible.

I'm not saying Ovi is untouchable (he is in the short term, I think, because the fallout would be too dramatic for Ted to stomach at this time) but the Gretzky example is one of the laziest justifications that always gets brought up even though it's not applicable in today's NHL.

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He was literally traded in a manner that is no longer possible.

I'm not saying Ovi is untouchable (he is in the short term, I think, because the fallout would be too dramatic for Ted to stomach at this time) but the Gretzky example is one of the laziest justifications that always gets brought up even though it's not applicable in today's NHL.
I agree. There were completely different factors back then and the Oil (and their scandalous owner) were massively short on cash.

Unless Ovechkin demands a trade he goes nowhere. He is a sure fire Hall of Famer and it would be nice to have him finish his career here.

You guys do know at one point Yzerman was severly ridiculed (larry brooks even suggested he was going to be traded for Kevin Hatcher back in 94) but the wings stuck with him and it turned out to be a good move.

Caps need to be patient with this player. If he flounders and we are stuck with his contract then so be it.

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haha at least it was only one point!
See I'm not a mean DM, heh. Sometimes on a 'correction' is needed .

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See I'm not a mean DM, heh. Sometimes on a 'correction' is needed .
haha true that!

Well...I pray that we will not have to have this debate come summertime. Lets hope the Caps turn it around and go on a run like in 1990 (we finished the season under .500 that year and did get blown out quite a few times)

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