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Who Will Play Goal For Team Canada WJC?

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11-09-2004, 10:22 PM
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We're not even 20 games in, even then Justin Pogge is coming off a very bad break in his leg, and he's still adjusting.
Which is why it makes a lot more sense picking Beauchemin since he has a better track record.

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At the age of 18 he is outperforming a 19 year old Rejean Beauchemin, a goaltender in his third full season in the WHL while Pogge's played 55 games in his WHL career.
Like you said, he has only played 11 games, that is not enough time to start shuffling a position of that magnitude. Besides, it is not like Pogge has been on fire either.

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Prince George apparently has one of the crappiest defenses in the league and has scored fewer goals to support it's goaltenders, yet Pogge is over .500.
Prince Albert's defense is not very good either.

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He also has a better GAA
Yes.

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and similar save %.
You mean worse save pct.

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Pogge's also bigger
How is that an advantage? Beachemin is 6'2 and Pogge is 6'3. I would rather have the 6'2 goalie.

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and has been hot over the last 5 games with 3 shutouts.
If you judge a player on a hot streak, Boucher would be an all-star.

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It's close, but with another year under his belt, there's no reason to think Pogge's not the better of the two.
There is also no reason to think he will be better.

Apparently NHL scouts thought so as well.[/QUOTE]

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11-09-2004, 11:36 PM
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Who's the best goalie for the WJC's and who is the best NHL prospect are two entirely separate things.
What is your point? Nobody has made that arguement.

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11-09-2004, 11:47 PM
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My money is on Dubnyk, Schantz also has a great shot because he can play excellent in the big game.

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11-10-2004, 03:49 AM
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At least two of Shantz, Munce, Boutin, Nastiuk, Peters, Beauchemin, Dubnyk & Ellis-Plante will likely make the team.

I'd guess Shantz, Beauchemin & Dubnyk.
Well, Dubnyk wasn't even named to the Canada/Russia hockey challenge for the WHL and therefore will probably not have a chance at the WJC this year. I'd say right now, Kevin Nastiuk will have a very good chance and will more than likely make Team Canada. The kid is playing unbelievable for Med Hat right now and has won a gold for Canada at the U18 a few years back. I think his partner for this year should be a guy like Shantz or Peters, so we have at least one returning goalie for next year in Vancouver.

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11-10-2004, 09:49 AM
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I don't know who is going to make the team, but it is impossible that no goalie from the Q will be there. Impossible.

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11-10-2004, 10:42 AM
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Interesting article here Justin Pogge

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I don't know who is going to make the team, but it is impossible that no goalie from the Q will be there. Impossible.
Well if I see any regular goalie from the Q making it this year... it could only be Crawford... but then again I think that both Beauchemin and Natsiyuk deserve it more

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11-10-2004, 11:23 AM
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I don't know who is going to make the team, but it is impossible that no goalie from the Q will be there. Impossible.
I'm suprised Alexander of Chicoutimi hasn't had any calls... I know he's young, but he's had 2 very solid seasons behind Deslauriers...

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11-10-2004, 01:23 PM
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What is your point? Nobody has made that arguement.
The argument started to shift towards who was the better NHL prospect.

As far as Pogge is concerned, three shoutouts in 10 games points to him being on fire to some degree.

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It's actually 3 shutouts in 5 games.

If that's not "on fire", I don't know what is.

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11-10-2004, 02:27 PM
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If Martin Houle was 6'00 tall he would be on the team.

Poor guy.

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11-10-2004, 02:31 PM
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Numbers for the 5 WHL goalies mentioned in this thread.

Name W L T SO Avg SV%

Justin Pogge 5 3 2 3 2.45 0.903

Devan Dubnyk 5 10 1 2 2.42 0.917

Jeff Glass 8 5 1 2 1.7 0.936

Rejean Beauchemin 6 11 1 1 2.81 0.906

Kevin Nastiuk 12 2 0 6 1.00 0.961


Statistically, Glass, Nastiuk and Dubnyk are the strongest, although Nastiuk and Glass are miles ahead of the other three.

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11-10-2004, 02:36 PM
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I dont like looking at numbers. Some of those guys play for much worse teams than others.

I would be willing to bet that Pogge faces more quality shots than Nastiuk.

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I don't know who is going to make the team, but it is impossible that no goalie from the Q will be there. Impossible.
All of the Q standard bearers of the past few years (Fleury, Deslauriers and Crawford) are all too old, and the crop beneath them is not as strong (Houle and Ellis-Plante are the only ones I could see worthy of an invite), so it's not all that impossible.

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While Pogge probably does face more quality shots than Nastiuk, I'd still rather have Nastiuk and _____ as my goalies for the WJC this year.

Pogge imo is a better tender than Rej Beauchemin, but he's still recovering from an injured knee that caused him to miss all of the training camp and then basically the first month of the season. Since he's been back however, he's played quite well, had a couple weak games here and there...but the same can be said for Rej...he stunk up the joint when PA was in PG.....

I'd take Pogge over Rej...but Nasty or even Glass over both of them.

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11-10-2004, 06:10 PM
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Haven't seen any of Nastiuk or Pogge this year but Glass was very impressive when I saw him and Beachemin was average.

Based on that limited viewing I liked Glass the best. But yeah, haven't seen Pogge or Nastiuk.

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11-11-2004, 10:12 PM
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Peters and Shantz are both going through somewhat of a sophomore slump and I've never looked at Ryan Munce as a reliable or consistant goalie, so I wouldn't really be confident in going with one of these guys as the #1.

BTW: Anybody catch Bob Mackenzie's piece tonight? he did a segment on this exact topic. Didn't really lean towards a specific guy/s, just gave a breakdown of the situation and how wide open it is. He did say he doesn't think it will be a Quebec leaguer.


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