Sure it is. But lost in the convo is the team had 5 days off in a row immediately PRIOR to the 3 game stint.
He should be exhausted and gas tank empty after 3 games?
Man nothing it all would get done in Ft Mac if people had concerns with this type of work schedule.
Poor baby.
Call ups almost always invariably result in hiccups for individual players that are called up. Its pro hockey, not a country club.
It doesn't matter how many days off he had before the 3 games in 3 nights. The fact of the matter is that this will be 4 games in 4 nights for him, that's a lot for any athlete to handle and we should expect some struggles from him tonight due to the fatigue.
I don't understand why you have it in for this player so much, i understand that some of the Omark supporters can be over the top with their Omark fandom but still....
This is untrue. There were plenty of posts in that GDT about Harti playing his 4th game in 4 night around here and it was accepted as a reason why he didn't look good. That is how I found out he was playing his 4th in 4.
I am excited for Omark to come back up as well, but I too am not expecting much. Call it an excuse if you want Replacement, but I agree that 4 games in 4 days is a lot. If this were a player you actually liked being put in this situation you'd probably say the same thing too. I know you like to argue counter point to everything, but in this case you are way off base, imo. If it were no big deal as you are somehow suggesting, the NHL would have stretches of 3 and 4 games in subsequent nights.
Of course you are. Because it helps fuel your confirmation bias that Omark is garbage. If you accepted that 4 in 4 is a lot then you couldn't rag on him when he looks lethargic out there tonight.
Thank you for the clarification s7ark, sorry, I was off on that then. I often avoid GDT's alltogether.
As far as me being offbase I think this has more to do with collective memory and how long people have been around. Again, 4 games in 5nights used to occur as the MODE in ALL first series matchups. Clearly the NHL didn't think it was too much. Again this being playoff hockey with a whole lot more intensity and sometimes involving several periods of OT added onto that making it often playing 5 games in 5 nights. Just like we have here.
I love the built in proactive excuses. Do well up here and no one will mention it further. Struggle and its already in place as a reason.
3 of the locations on the map don't even involve much travel. Peoria, Grand Rapids, Chicago would be less travel than AJHL clubs encounter. LA to SF is a short hop as well. Also pretty sure the team had a longbreak before the Peoria game.(so I'm not sure why "A" is listed on the map as travel. Did they travel to the Peoria game at the last minute?) Plus what better place to fly from than Chicago which would have a hell of a lot of connecting flights.
Lets be frank here. Any player that gets a callup is jacked. Fatigue is seldom really an issue in the first couple games up. Especially for a younger player.
What does 4 games in 5 nights in the past has anything to do with Omark possibly having to play his 4th games in 4 nights including the traveling?
It's not like Anaheim's players are playing 4 games in 4 nights. So Omark is supposed to have the same energy & stamina as the Ducks players?
It's also not like Anaheim had travel much in the last 4 days. Home since last Tuesday. Played against Buf Wed, Cgy Friday, "on the road" against LA Sat. So Omark traveled 4/5 straight days sleeping in different bed is going to have the same stamina as the Ducks player?
Normally agree and enjoy most of your opinions on here bud, just gotta say i disagree on this one, but i do love the petty good "built in proactive" blames on Omark you are planting here....
Hopefully he can add something to the offense. I suspect we'll see him on a line with Gagner and Hemsky. Then load up a line with Hall-RNH-Eberle. That's what I'd do.
All of it?
Even Iceland?!
I used to like Renney, but hating destitute people who live nearby active volcanoes is just cruel.
Anyway, I doubt fatigue will be that much an issue for Omark tonight.
I'm more worried about tomorrow, when he's "landed", should he in fact play 5 games in 5 days.
Thank you for the clarification s7ark, sorry, I was off on that then. I often avoid GDT's alltogether.
As far as me being offbase I think this has more to do with collective memory and how long people have been around. Again, 4 games in 5nights used to occur as the MODE in ALL first series matchups. Clearly the NHL didn't think it was too much. Again this being playoff hockey with a whole lot more intensity and sometimes involving several periods of OT added onto that making it often playing 5 games in 5 nights. Just like we have here.
Is it really that much harder to play hockey now?
This is such a false analogy. A team of exhausted guys playing another team of exhausted guys is not the same as one exhausted guy playing with and against a team of rested guys.
And anyway, to answer your question: yes, it is much harder to play hockey now. The pace of the game today is insane. If a player gets caught out for more than a 60-second shift he looks like he's going to have a heart attack. Back in the glory days you refer to, players would take regular 2-3 minute shifts and then take a smoke break between periods.
I love the built in proactive excuses. Do well up here and no one will mention it further. Struggle and its already in place as a reason.
3 of the locations on the map don't even involve much travel. Peoria, Grand Rapids, Chicago would be less travel than AJHL clubs encounter. LA to SF is a short hop as well. Also pretty sure the team had a longbreak before the Peoria game.(so I'm not sure why "A" is listed on the map as travel. Did they travel to the Peoria game at the last minute?) Plus what better place to fly from than Chicago which would have a hell of a lot of connecting flights.
Lets be frank here. Any player that gets a callup is jacked. Fatigue is seldom really an issue in the first couple games up. Especially for a younger player.
He'll do fine tonight. Should be able to have a decent game. I think he'll even look good.
Gawd, I'm with horrible bias..
If others are are guilty of making excuses you're building expectations, for whatever reason......
Doesn't matter, 4 games in 4 days is tough for any player regardless of if they have had a 5 day rest prior to the stint. That's just a fact which obvioulsy everyone is aware of (I mean player & management). They will match him accordingly imo.
My hopes for his first game (if that's tonight) is that he is able to keep it simple and not try to over-do it. I think playing with Belanger could actually be ok for him at this point but I guess am alone in that opinion... Hell, someone has to play with Belanger and there's always the off chance that Omark is able to get that line going a bit.
Thank you for the clarification s7ark, sorry, I was off on that then. I often avoid GDT's alltogether.
As far as me being offbase I think this has more to do with collective memory and how long people have been around. Again, 4 games in 5nights used to occur as the MODE in ALL first series matchups. Clearly the NHL didn't think it was too much. Again this being playoff hockey with a whole lot more intensity and sometimes involving several periods of OT added onto that making it often playing 5 games in 5 nights. Just like we have here.
Is it really that much harder to play hockey now?
So why call out people for not saying the same about Hartsi when you yourself had no idea if this was true or not? I guess that's your style just make something up until you get called out.
As far as the 4 games in 5 nights. It is too much, hence why you don't see it anymore.
This is such a false analogy. A team of exhausted guys playing another team of exhausted guys is not the same as one exhausted guy playing with and against a team of rested guys.
And anyway, to answer your question: yes, it is much harder to play hockey now. The pace of the game today is insane. If a player gets caught out for more than a 60-second shift he looks like he's going to have a heart attack. Back in the glory days you refer to, players would take regular 2-3 minute shifts and then take a smoke break between periods.
Ridiculous reply.
A 1980's styles knockdown dragout affair between say the Edmonton Oilers and the Calgary Flames playoff mortal match up would involve one hell of a lot more intensity than a game between the Ducks and Oilers. Not even close. Nor was either of the BOA clubs at that time licking their wounds after 4 games in 5 nights first round. The winner of those sometimes going on to play 3 more tough rounds of playoffs in what was a much more compressed playoffs format all round back then.
I'll add that Mark Messier was a better conditioned athlete then most of the players you'll find today. Not too sure about the smokers you refer to either. I think Semenko smoked.
So why call out people for not saying the same about Hartsi when you yourself had no idea if this was true or not? I guess that's your style just make something up until you get called out.
As far as the 4 games in 5 nights. It is too much, hence why you don't see it anymore.
I didn't spot it joe because there was no dedicated thread on it afairc. I honestly didn't see one. I don't know that any of us knows everything thats ever posted here. I certainly hope not.
I admitted I'm wrong on the Harti thing and somehow "thats my style".
mybad saying I'm wrong and all I guess.
ps, so wait, The Edmonton Oilers clearly see thier call up expectation as tenable, I think intend to dress Omark tonight, and I agree all should be fine, but guys on the internet, "the experts" are clearly indicating that this is clearly too much. Looks like we WILL see it now...
hmmmm.
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I didn't spot it joe because there was no dedicated thread on it afairc. I honestly didn't see one. I don't know that any of us knows everything thats ever posted here. I certainly hope not.
I admitted I'm wrong on the Harti thing and somehow "thats my style".
mybad saying I'm wrong and all I guess.
Well if you avoid GDTs you probably shouldn't comment that no one said a damn thing about the Harti incident in the first place. You don't have to read every single thread on the forum to realize that throwing out claims that help your argument as fact when you don't actually know is a bad thing.
Implying that admitting you were wrong somehow absolves you of laying false claims in the first place is silly. It just excuses you from being objective or fair in what you write.
Well if you avoid GDTs you probably shouldn't comment that no one said a damn thing about the Harti incident in the first place. You don't have to read every single thread on the forum to realize that throwing out claims that help your argument as fact when you don't actually know is a bad thing.
Implying that admitting you were wrong somehow absolves you of laying false claims in the first place is silly. It just excuses you from being objective or fair in what you write.
Thank you for the clarification s7ark, sorry, I was off on that then. I often avoid GDT's alltogether.
As far as me being offbase I think this has more to do with collective memory and how long people have been around. Again, 4 games in 5nights used to occur as the MODE in ALL first series matchups. Clearly the NHL didn't think it was too much. Again this being playoff hockey with a whole lot more intensity and sometimes involving several periods of OT added onto that making it often playing 5 games in 5 nights. Just like we have here.
Is it really that much harder to play hockey now?
NP on the clarification, no one can be expected to read every post on the board.
And the NHL stopped doing that, so obviously they thought it was too taxing. Also, that was when the speed of the game was much slower.
I guess I don't understand why you are planting your flag on this "4 in 4" is nothing hill. I get that Omark has a lot of fans that excuse everything poor that he does, but there is a difference between reasons and excuses. If Omark looks like he can't skate out there tonight and tomorrow then the fact that he just played 3 straight games could reasonably be said to have contributed to that. Don't you think?
at the end of the day we all hope Omark is good, or even awesome, there is just some who think he will be if given a chance and those who think he has had a chance and isnt.
we were writing off gagner at teh beginning of the year so lets give omark a chance............................................ ..
if the oilers didnt think he was capable of playing 4 in 4 then they wouldnt have called him up
A bigger story/discussion should be Hall possibly missing more time with an injury to the same shoulder...
Scary in a Hemsky-like way, the kid plays hard every shift and isn't scared to go into traffic areas with the puck and thats what we love but it ends up getting him injured.
exactly... how this isn't the big news in this thread is beyond me... umm, people, taylor hall has re-injured his shoulder, the same shoulder that he hurt earlier in the year... this is big news, and people seem to be largely ignoring it
hopefully it's just a tweak, and nothing that a few days rest can't solve... to be honest though, i'd be perfectly fine with shutting hall down for the rest of the year to make sure his shoulder is back to 100%
interesting that omark can only play 4 games before having to clear waivers ... i'm wondering if they don't plan on sending him back down to the AHL this year? because i'd be pretty surprised if somebody didn't grab him if he was available on waivers
NP on the clarification, no one can be expected to read every post on the board.
And the NHL stopped doing that, so obviously they thought it was too taxing. Also, that was when the speed of the game was much slower.
I guess I don't understand why you are planting your flag on this "4 in 4" is nothing hill. I get that Omark has a lot of fans that excuse everything poor that he does, but there is a difference between reasons and excuses. If Omark looks like he can't skate out there tonight and tomorrow then the fact that he just played 3 straight games could reasonably be said to have contributed to that. Don't you think?
im sure the oilers will give him the morning skate off and let him rest, its not like these guys arent on the ice everyday,
