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Carlyle's System

Leaf Fan here, Just wondering if you can tell me a little bit on what kind of system Carlyle runs in the offensive and defensive zone.

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Leaf Fan here, Just wondering if you can tell me a little bit on what kind of system Carlyle runs in the offensive and defensive zone.
Dump and chase+forecheck if it fails.

Defensive zone? Going off of the last 20 Carlyle/Ducks games I can remember he might as well have told them "D strategy? Screw strategy, JUST DON'T LET THEM SCORE!"

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I'd recommend you wait and see. He tweaked his system in Anaheim based on the players he had. Toronto has different strengths and weaknesses than Anaheim. Let him see what he has to work with in Toronto, and you'll see firsthand what he does.

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I'd recommend you wait and see. He tweaked his system in Anaheim based on the players he had. Toronto has different strengths and weaknesses than Anaheim. Let him see what he has to work with in Toronto, and you'll see firsthand what he does.
This. I forgot to add "not really an option with the Leafs" when I posted dump and chase.

Lol and what did you do to the Ducks in the GM game?
You forgot Etem, Palmieri, Holland, Schultz, and Rakell as prospects. Oh and John Gibson, unless you traded them all.

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This. I forgot to add "not really an option with the Leafs" when I posted dump and chase.
Dump and chase is one of the fundamentals of hockey. So is forechecking. How is that not an option?

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Lol and what did you do to the Ducks in the GM game?
You forgot Etem, Palmieri, Holland, Schultz, and Rakell as prospects. Oh and John Gibson, unless you traded them all.
Huh?

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Dump and chase is one of the fundamentals of hockey. So is forechecking. How is that not an option?
In Carlyle's style. I'm kinda multitasking right now. Lot's of play along the boards, cycling, physical play, forecheck to retrieve the puck if the dump and chase failed. Obviously forechecking is fundamental. I just meant that Carlyle's grinding board play fit more for the big bodies like Ryan, Getzlaf, and Perry. Doesn't apply to Toronto as much.

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Leaf Fan here, Just wondering if you can tell me a little bit on what kind of system Carlyle runs in the offensive and defensive zone.
The important thing to know is that Carlyle expects defensive responsibility. He'll let his skill players be skill players, but he wants them to at least make the effort defensively. He demands it from his depth players.

When Anaheim had the team for it, Carlyle liked a hard, physical, and aggressive forecheck. He wanted to make the opposing team's defense hear footsteps, and he wanted to wear them down physically. He promoted going hard to the net, and basically just making life difficult for the opposing defense and goaltender.

Defensively, he liked to hold the blue line in Anaheim. Force the opposing team to dump it in. The defensive system wasn't about limiting shots, but about limiting shot quality. Unfortunately, Anaheim's blue line hasn't been as good the past few years, and the results show on the ice. As the blue line quality degraded, the breakout got worse, puck possession went down, and things just looked uglier defensively.

In my opinion, Carlyle did a good job emphasizing Anaheim's strengths. When Selanne and Andy Mac were the two biggest offensive threats, there was a lot of transition game. Their speed and counter attack was good at keeping teams on their heels. When the RPG line became the dominant threat, there was more emphasis on the cycling and grinding game.

In hindsight, I think Carlyle had a pretty specific approach. You can see an emphasis on getting the most out of the players he's getting the most out of. The RPG line, the goaltender, the shutdown line, the defense, etc... He wants the heavy lifters to do most of the heavy lifting. Unfortunately, when those players let him down, the results on the ice show it, and I'd argue he doesn't take full advantage of his depth players. I think his teams will win or lose based on how his best players are playing, and he'll ride them as far as they will take the team.

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Couple things to add.

I remember in 2007 where the team would line up 4-abreast at the blueline for transition defense. Basically clog the neutral zone and force the dump in. They got away from that recently.

Not systems, but I feel that he tends to favor the big horses. A select few that get a lot of minutes. If you're not one of his favorites then you won't get much time at all.

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Couple things to add.


Not systems, but I feel that he tends to favor the big horses. A select few that get a lot of minutes. If you're not one of his favorites then you won't get much time at all.
I think that was more of a necessity, during the cup run he had depth and used it. But with BM teams he didn't have any depth so he worked guys like RPG 24 minutes a night sometimes.

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I think that was more of a necessity, during the cup run he had depth and used it. But with BM teams he didn't have any depth so he worked guys like RPG 24 minutes a night sometimes.
I think he played his horses a lot in the Cup run too. Pahlsson got a lot of minutes. The big 3 defensemen did too. I remember during the year we kept complaining he didn't play the 2nd line of Getz-Perry-whoever enough. 4th line and 3rd pairing defensemen got way less.

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I think he played his horses a lot in the Cup run too. Pahlsson got a lot of minutes. The big 3 defensemen did too. I remember during the year we kept complaining he didn't play the 2nd line of Getz-Perry-whoever enough. 4th line and 3rd pairing defensemen got way less.
That's how I saw it too. I think it's a bit misleading in that, the Pahlsson line was technically the 3rd line, but in the way Carlyle used it I think you could argue that it was really the 1st line in a lot of ways. Or damn close to it.

The 3rd pairing D just didn't see the ice much, and sometimes when they did it was with one of Anaheim's top 3 D. The 4th line was using sparingly as well, Carlyle seemed specific about when to use them: When they already had offensive possession, or if the scoring lines needed a little rest and they were taking an offensive zone face-off.

That pattern was there from the beginning. I just don't think it was quite as noticeable at first glance, because he had more "horses" at his disposal. Hell, during the regular season in 2006-2007 Niedermayer averaged almost 28 minutes. Pronger averaged a little less, and Beauchemin a little less than that. That was the regular season too. Those numbers went up even further during the playoffs, with all three of them averaging roughly 30 minutes a game. If that isn't leaning on your big guns, I don't know what is. An 82-game season, and he had those guys on the ice pretty much half of the game the entire season.

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I think Randy is a great thinker and strategist of the game. I'm not sure it will be the same system he used in Anaheim, but you can be sure whatever he chooses to do will have been thought out by him.

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Do you guys think that Randy will have success with the Leafs? Short term, playoffs this year are not likely, but next season?

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Leaf Fan here, Just wondering if you can tell me a little bit on what kind of system Carlyle runs in the offensive and defensive zone.
Carlyle likes using the top 2 lines non-stop. He has 0 confidence in the 3rd or 4th lines, which is why the Ducks lost to Nashville last year in the playoffs. He plays the top units non-stop and gives little chance to the 3rd or 4th liners to succeed.

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Carlyle likes using the top 2 lines non-stop. He has 0 confidence in the 3rd or 4th lines, which is why the Ducks lost to Nashville last year in the playoffs. He plays the top units non-stop and gives little chance to the 3rd or 4th liners to succeed.
This is pretty slanted. Carlyle will give ice time to lines he trusts, whether that's one line or all four. One only has to look at his first 2 seasons here to see that.

Once our [Burke's] cap management got out of hand thanks to the staycations and some poor signings, the depth went away and so did Carlyle's confidence. It is not because he has an irrational bias against bottom 6 players.

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Carlyle likes using the top 2 lines non-stop. He has 0 confidence in the 3rd or 4th lines, which is why the Ducks lost to Nashville last year in the playoffs. He plays the top units non-stop and gives little chance to the 3rd or 4th liners to succeed.
That was because the third and fourth liners sucked, they didn't deserve any more ice time than what he gave them. It wasn't until 09-10 when the Ducks lost all their depth and he was forced to overplay the big players. Before that we always had handy third liners that he would trust (Pahlsson, Moen, Niedermayer, Marchant). In the 09 playoffs he was regularly matching Marchant and Niedermayer's line against the Datsyuk line from Detroit.

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Carlyle likes using the top 2 lines non-stop. He has 0 confidence in the 3rd or 4th lines, which is why the Ducks lost to Nashville last year in the playoffs. He plays the top units non-stop and gives little chance to the 3rd or 4th liners to succeed.
you sound like RC killed your family or something.. that is so far from the truth lol

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you sound like RC killed your family or something.. that is so far from the truth lol
Umm its called watching Getzlaf and Perry dead tired and Carlyle putting them back on regardless. I take it you didn't watch our series with Nashville. Go back and watch it and you will see what I am talking about.

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Umm its called watching Getzlaf and Perry dead tired and Carlyle putting them back on regardless. I take it you didn't watch our series with Nashville. Go back and watch it and you will see what I am talking about.
It's called having a short-term memory. Coachs aren't going to just hand out ice time to scrubs, and our bottom 6 last year played like scrubs.

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Well, if he uses his system he used here...
Come out of training camp flat with dead legs.
Wake up the dead legs by having harder practices.
Make certain that when guys make a mistake, they
immediately look at the bench to check if they are screwed.
Make mistakes and enjoy the doghouse
When you are really beat...get ready for a really hard practice.

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