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03-07-2012, 08:05 AM
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Hey guys, Oilers fan here. I hope we beat you guys, tanking and sucking are NOT fun at all, although I am glad we got Hall and RNH out of them (Eberle was 22nd overall in 08 ).

Other than the 3 kids and Gagner (whose only 22 btw) up front, and Smid and 2nd year player Jeff Petry on the back end, the rest of the line up is pretty much dead weight. I know a lot of you guys want to rebuild, but its not fun, or easy with the terrible management we have.
its must be pleasant for 1 season
but sucking 3-4 straight years, that must hurt.


15 games remaining. 90 pts max

Pick 28/29/30 are out of reach :yeah:

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its must be pleasant for 1 season
but sucking 3-4 straight years, that must hurt.


15 games remaining. 90 pts max

Pick 28/29/30 are out of reach :yeah:
Actually, those picks belong to Stanley Cup and Conference finalists so they are not out of reach yet.

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Actually, those picks belong to Stanley Cup and Conference finalists so they are not out of reach yet.
true
so the 28th is out of reach then

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You failed this time but try again, never give up dude.
well my bad then

never give up? you make it sound like im stalking you

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For yesterday's lineup in Calgary, was there one player in the Habs lineup that was directly gained by losing one of these players, most of whom are still performing quite well in the NHL.

Kovalev
Streit
Koivu
Ryder
Latendresse
SK
AK
Hamrlik
Komisarek
Kostopolous
Grabovski
Bouillon
O'Byrne
D'Agostini
McDonough
Ribeiro
Souray
Perezhogin
Lapierre
Tanguay
Higgins
MA Bergeron
Pouliot
DMoore
Wisniewski

????

I could be wrong but I believe that none of the Habs players in the lineup yesterday actually became Habs directly as a result of losing these many players. Yes, Palushaj and Gomez have played this year but not last night. Yes we did get some draft picks (AK, Grabovski) and players not at the NHL lever but none helped out yesterday. Am I right?

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For yesterday's lineup in Calgary, was there one player in the Habs lineup that was directly gained by losing one of these players, most of whom are still performing quite well in the NHL.

Kovalev
Streit
Koivu
Ryder
Latendresse
SK
AK
Hamrlik
Komisarek
Kostopolous
Grabovski
Bouillon
O'Byrne
D'Agostini
McDonough
Ribeiro
Souray
Perezhogin
Lapierre
Tanguay
Higgins
MA Bergeron
Pouliot
DMoore
Wisniewski

????

I could be wrong but I believe that none of the Habs players in the lineup yesterday actually became Habs directly as a result of losing these many players. Yes, Palushaj and Gomez have played this year but not last night. Yes we did get some draft picks (AK, Grabovski) and players not at the NHL lever but none helped out yesterday. Am I right?
Add Rivet to the list and it's an entirely different story.

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Add Rivet to the list and it's an entirely different story.
And Cammy + Gill...

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For yesterday's lineup in Calgary, was there one player in the Habs lineup that was directly gained by losing one of these players, most of whom are still performing quite well in the NHL.

Kovalev
Streit
Koivu
Ryder
Latendresse
SK
AK
Hamrlik
Komisarek
Kostopolous
Grabovski
Bouillon
O'Byrne
D'Agostini
McDonough
Ribeiro
Souray
Perezhogin
Lapierre
Tanguay
Higgins
MA Bergeron
Pouliot
DMoore
Wisniewski

????

I could be wrong but I believe that none of the Habs players in the lineup yesterday actually became Habs directly as a result of losing these many players. Yes, Palushaj and Gomez have played this year but not last night. Yes we did get some draft picks (AK, Grabovski) and players not at the NHL lever but none helped out yesterday. Am I right?
the one that may pan out is bournival, acquired in the o'byrne trade iirc.

besides, 3 years is still too early to judge how draftees picked 2-3 years ago will perform

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In all seriousness though, the throwing away of assets is the reason for the downfall of the Canadiens. While I certainly wouldn't want all of those players back it is embarrassing that we have so little to show for them.

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the one that may pan out is bournival, acquired in the o'byrne trade iirc.

besides, 3 years is still too early to judge how draftees picked 2-3 years ago will perform
Agreed that Bournival may pan out.

As far as the draftees, which players did we draft as a result of getting rid of all these players? (I know we will draft a couple next year as a result of the AK trade).

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Agreed that Bournival may pan out.

As far as the draftees, which players did we draft as a result of getting rid of all these players? (I know we will draft a couple next year as a result of the AK trade).
Because I'm bored at work. I bolded what we still have from these players leaving:

Kovalev -> nothing (left as UFA)
Streit -> nothing (left as UFA)
Koivu -> nothing (left as UFA)
Ryder -> nothing (left as UFA)
Latendresse -> Benoit Pouliot -> nothing (left as untendered RFA)
SK -> Dan Ellis & Dustin Boyd -> nothing (Ellis never signed & Boyd left for Europe after 1 season)
AK -> 2nd round pick 2013 (TBD) & return of Habs' 2012 5th round pick (TBD)
Hamrlik -> nothing (left as UFA)
Komisarek -> nothing (left as UFA)
Kostopolous -> nothing (left as UFA)
Grabovski -> Greg Pateryn (prospect) & 2nd round pick 2010 (traded for Robert Lang, who left as UFA)
Bouillon -> nothing (left as UFA)
O'Byrne -> Michal Bournival (prospect)
D'Agostini -> Aaron Palushaj
McDonagh -> Scott Gomez, Michael Busto (left untendered), Tom Pyatt (left as UFA)
Ribeiro -> Janne Niinimaa, 5th round pick 2007 (Andrew Conboy)
Souray -> nothing (left as UFA)
Perezhogin -> nothing (left as RFA)
Lapierre -> Brett Festerling (left untendered), 5th round pick 2012 (traded back to Anaheim for Paul Mara, who left as a UFA)
Tanguay -> nothing (left as UFA)
Higgins - see McDonagh
MA Bergeron -> nothing (left as UFA)
Pouliot -> nothing (left as untendered RFA)
DMoore -> nothing (left as UFA)
Wisniewski -> 5th round pick 2012 (traded to Calgary with Cammalleri & Ramo for Rene Bourque, Patrick Holland & 2013 2nd rounder (TBD))

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For yesterday's lineup in Calgary, was there one player in the Habs lineup that was directly gained by losing one of these players, most of whom are still performing quite well in the NHL.

Kovalev
Streit
Koivu
Ryder
Latendresse
SK
AK
Hamrlik
Komisarek
Kostopolous
Grabovski
Bouillon
O'Byrne
D'Agostini
McDonough
Ribeiro
Souray
Perezhogin
Lapierre
Tanguay
Higgins
MA Bergeron
Pouliot
DMoore
Wisniewski

????

I could be wrong but I believe that none of the Habs players in the lineup yesterday actually became Habs directly as a result of losing these many players. Yes, Palushaj and Gomez have played this year but not last night. Yes we did get some draft picks (AK, Grabovski) and players not at the NHL lever but none helped out yesterday. Am I right?
Geoffrion

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We got Geoffrion in the Gill trade, Gill wasn't on his list.

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Because I'm bored at work. I bolded what we still have from these players leaving:

Kovalev -> nothing (left as UFA)
Streit -> nothing (left as UFA)
Koivu -> nothing (left as UFA)
Ryder -> nothing (left as UFA)
Latendresse -> Benoit Pouliot -> nothing (left as untendered RFA)
SK -> Dan Ellis & Dustin Boyd -> nothing (Ellis never signed & Boyd left for Europe after 1 season)
AK -> 2nd round pick 2013 (TBD) & return of Habs' 2012 5th round pick (TBD)
Hamrlik -> nothing (left as UFA)
Komisarek -> nothing (left as UFA)
Kostopolous -> nothing (left as UFA)
Grabovski -> Greg Pateryn (prospect) & 2nd round pick 2010 (traded for Robert Lang, who left as UFA)
Bouillon -> nothing (left as UFA)
O'Byrne -> Michal Bournival (prospect)
D'Agostini -> Aaron Palushaj
McDonagh -> Scott Gomez, Michael Busto (left untendered), Tom Pyatt (left as UFA)
Ribeiro -> Janne Niinimaa, 5th round pick 2007 (Andrew Conboy)
Souray -> nothing (left as UFA)
Perezhogin -> nothing (left as RFA)
Lapierre -> Brett Festerling (left untendered), 5th round pick 2012 (traded back to Anaheim for Paul Mara, who left as a UFA)
Tanguay -> nothing (left as UFA)
Higgins - see McDonagh
MA Bergeron -> nothing (left as UFA)
Pouliot -> nothing (left as untendered RFA)
DMoore -> nothing (left as UFA)
Wisniewski -> 5th round pick 2012 (traded to Calgary with Cammalleri & Ramo for Rene Bourque, Patrick Holland & 2013 2nd rounder (TBD))
Very thorough. Thanks.

So nobody played yesterday. Gomez and Palushaj (11 points for the two) have played this year year. Bournival and Pateryn are prospects and we have 2 draft picks left - for all those out of town players. Sadness.

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Because I'm bored at work. I bolded what we still have from these players leaving:

Kovalev -> nothing (left as UFA)
Streit -> nothing (left as UFA)
Koivu -> nothing (left as UFA)
Ryder -> nothing (left as UFA)
Latendresse -> Benoit Pouliot -> nothing (left as untendered RFA)
SK -> Dan Ellis & Dustin Boyd -> nothing (Ellis never signed & Boyd -who became UFA before we signed him- left for Europe after 1 season)
AK -> 2nd round pick 2013 (TBD) & return of Habs' 2012 5th round pick (TBD)
Hamrlik -> nothing (left as UFA)
Komisarek -> nothing (left as UFA)
Kostopolous -> nothing (left as UFA)
Grabovski -> Greg Pateryn (prospect) & 2nd round pick 2010 (traded for Robert Lang, who left as UFA)
Bouillon -> nothing (left as UFA)
O'Byrne -> Michal Bournival (prospect)
D'Agostini -> Aaron Palushaj
McDonagh -> Scott Gomez, Michael Busto (left untendered), Tom Pyatt (left as UFA)
Ribeiro -> Janne Niinimaa, 5th round pick 2007 (Andrew Conboy)
Souray -> nothing (left as UFA)
Perezhogin -> nothing (left as RFA)
Lapierre -> Brett Festerling (left untendered), 5th round pick 2012 (traded back to Anaheim for Paul Mara, who left as a UFA)
Tanguay -> nothing (left as UFA)
Higgins - see McDonagh
MA Bergeron -> nothing (left as UFA)
Pouliot -> nothing (left as untendered RFA)
DMoore -> nothing (left as UFA)
Wisniewski -> 5th round pick 2012 (traded to Calgary with Cammalleri & Ramo for Rene Bourque, Patrick Holland & 2013 2nd rounder (TBD))
aside from a small correction (Boyd, like Ellis, became a UFA after we acquired him, we then signed him after July 1st), that sums up the Gainey/Gauthier incompetence in managing assets pretty well.


Amazes me that people fail to consider this when looking at our organization and how it's progressed since the early 2000's.

Yes, the results (pts-wise & playoff appearances) improved, but much of that was won as a result of the players in place (Markov, Koivu, Souray, Theodore, Ryder, Higgins, Komi) and by players we got via the draft, which has been the sole saving grace of this organization for the past decade.

Remove the work of Timmins & his scouting department, and the ability to outspend over half of the league, and we'd be a perennial bottom feeder thanks to the complete lack of vision/execution we've seen under Gainey/Gauthier.

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Because I'm bored at work. I bolded what we still have from these players leaving:

Kovalev -> nothing (left as UFA)
Streit -> nothing (left as UFA)
Koivu -> nothing (left as UFA)
Ryder -> nothing (left as UFA)
Latendresse -> Benoit Pouliot -> nothing (left as untendered RFA)
SK -> Dan Ellis & Dustin Boyd -> nothing (Ellis never signed & Boyd left for Europe after 1 season)
AK -> 2nd round pick 2013 (TBD) & return of Habs' 2012 5th round pick (TBD)
Hamrlik -> nothing (left as UFA)
Komisarek -> nothing (left as UFA)
Kostopolous -> nothing (left as UFA)
Grabovski -> Greg Pateryn (prospect) & 2nd round pick 2010 (traded for Robert Lang, who left as UFA)
Bouillon -> nothing (left as UFA)
O'Byrne -> Michal Bournival (prospect)
D'Agostini -> Aaron Palushaj
McDonagh -> Scott Gomez, Michael Busto (left untendered), Tom Pyatt (left as UFA)
Ribeiro -> Janne Niinimaa, 5th round pick 2007 (Andrew Conboy)
Souray -> nothing (left as UFA)
Perezhogin -> nothing (left as RFA)
Lapierre -> Brett Festerling (left untendered), 5th round pick 2012 (traded back to Anaheim for Paul Mara, who left as a UFA)
Tanguay -> nothing (left as UFA)
Higgins - see McDonagh
MA Bergeron -> nothing (left as UFA)
Pouliot -> nothing (left as untendered RFA)
DMoore -> nothing (left as UFA)
Wisniewski -> 5th round pick 2012 (traded to Calgary with Cammalleri & Ramo for Rene Bourque, Patrick Holland & 2013 2nd rounder (TBD))
I think the only player that was never bashed on this board is McDonagh...

normal, i guess, we never had a chance to do it.

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We got Geoffrion in the Gill trade, Gill wasn't on his list.
Oops, you're right - I was thinking AK/Nashville/Geoffrion, dummy moment.

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Also, Festerling was traded for Drew MacIntyre, who was left untendered.

THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING.

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Because I'm bored at work. I bolded what we still have from these players leaving:

Kovalev -> nothing (left as UFA)
Streit -> nothing (left as UFA)
Koivu -> nothing (left as UFA)
Ryder -> nothing (left as UFA)
Latendresse -> Benoit Pouliot -> nothing (left as untendered RFA)
SK -> Dan Ellis & Dustin Boyd -> nothing (Ellis never signed & Boyd left for Europe after 1 season)
AK -> 2nd round pick 2013 (TBD) & return of Habs' 2012 5th round pick (TBD)
Hamrlik -> nothing (left as UFA)
Komisarek -> nothing (left as UFA)
Kostopolous -> nothing (left as UFA)
Grabovski -> Greg Pateryn (prospect) & 2nd round pick 2010 (traded for Robert Lang, who left as UFA)
Bouillon -> nothing (left as UFA)
O'Byrne -> Michal Bournival (prospect)
D'Agostini -> Aaron Palushaj
McDonagh -> Scott Gomez, Michael Busto (left untendered), Tom Pyatt (left as UFA)
Ribeiro -> Janne Niinimaa, 5th round pick 2007 (Andrew Conboy)
Souray -> nothing (left as UFA)
Perezhogin -> nothing (left as RFA)
Lapierre -> Brett Festerling (left untendered), 5th round pick 2012 (traded back to Anaheim for Paul Mara, who left as a UFA)
Tanguay -> nothing (left as UFA)
Higgins - see McDonagh
MA Bergeron -> nothing (left as UFA)
Pouliot -> nothing (left as untendered RFA)
DMoore -> nothing (left as UFA)
Wisniewski -> 5th round pick 2012 (traded to Calgary with Cammalleri & Ramo for Rene Bourque, Patrick Holland & 2013 2nd rounder (TBD))
To be fair if you're going to list players who left as UFA's you should add the ones we signed as UFA's. For example we let Souray go mostly because he wannted way too much and used his cap room on Hamrlik, who was a much better player over those 4 years.

When you let somebody walk it usually creates cap room to re-sign current players or go sign UFA's.

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Also, Festerling was traded for Drew MacIntyre, who was left untendered.

THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING.
Good one, completely forgot about that.

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To be fair if you're going to list players who left as UFA's you should add the ones we signed as UFA's. For example we let Souray go mostly because he wannted way too much and used his cap room on Hamrlik, who was a much better player over those 4 years.

When you let somebody walk it usually creates cap room to re-sign current players or go sign UFA's.
True, although the argument could be that we could have at least traded Souray's rights and gotten something + Hamrlik instead of just Hamrlik.

Anyway I was just making the list, people can draw whatever conclusions they like from it

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Bwahahahaha

That's like an entire good NHL team..

And we have nothing.

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Bwahahahaha

That's like an entire good NHL team..

And we have nothing.
Give Pateryn and Palushaj some more time to develop

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Awesome... AHL talent !

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Good one, completely forgot about that.



True, although the argument could be that we could have at least traded Souray's rights and gotten something + Hamrlik instead of just Hamrlik.

Anyway I was just making the list, people can draw whatever conclusions they like from it
Very few players' rights are traded. Dallas got nothing for Richards for example. Carolina got nothing for Cole.

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The majority of that list are players that left us immediately after the Centennial year. I believe there was like...11 ufas that summer? It was the centennial year, even though they were failing miserably, they still tried their best to compete. We even tried to acquire Sundin. It was the price to pay just because it was the stupid centennial and fans and the media couldn't accept that we had no chance in hell that year with the amount of injuries we had by the end of the year.

Had they just sold all the UFAs at the deadline, we wouldn't be in this mess today. This also forced Gainey's hand to overpay for tons of ufas in that summer.

You can say that it was foolish of Gainey to allow so many player's contract to end at the same time. But it could've gone either way, half the team are on their contract year and I believe that the Habs thought that they would get more effort out of the players because of it, increasing our chances of winning the cup during the centennial. Obviously it didn't work out that way. With injuries to Tanguay, Markov...etc. with Kovalev sucking out at the end, we failed miserably and it still affects us today.

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