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Pre-1967 Expansion US-born NHL players:Where did they receive their hockey training?

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03-05-2012, 08:07 PM
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Pre-1967 Expansion US-born NHL players:Where did they receive their hockey training?

I was curious about where pre-Expansion American born players received their hockey training, so I compiled this list. The following numbers are of players who received training in the state they were born in:
Minnesota-20
Massachusetts-15
Michigan-12
New York-1
North Dakota-1

The following list of players were born in the US, raised (mostly) in Canada:
Roger "Broadway" Jenkins (Wisconsin)
Pete Babando (Pennsylvania)
Jesse Spring (Pennsylvania)
Cecil Dillon (Ohio)
Billy Burch (NY)
Alex Levinsky (NY)
Armand Raymond (NY)
Johnny Matz (Nebraska or Wyoming)
Harry Mummery (Illinois)
Guyle Fielder (Idaho)
Aud Tuten (Alabama)
Louis Trudel (Massachusetts)
Carl Voss (Massachusetts)
Norm Dussault (Massachusetts)
Gerry Foley (Massachusetts)
Ray Barry (Massachusetts)
Ed Carpenter (Michigan)
Cliff Barton (Michigan)
Leo Goldsworthy (Minnesota)

The next two I was unsure of which state they received their training in:
Moe Roberts (Connecticut or Massachusetts)
Bob Blake (Wisconsin or Minnesota)

The final list is of players where I could not find much information of where they received their training:
Wayne Hicks (Washington)
Burr Williams (Oklahoma)
Fern "Curley" Headley (North Dakota)
Ron Moffat (North Dakota)
Frank "Frosty" Peters (NY)
Ivan "the Terrible" Irwin (Illinois)
Bob "Red" Hall (Illinois)
Frank Beisler (Connecticut)
Richard Bittner (Connecticut)
Pat Shea (Idaho)
Bob Ring (Massachusetts)
Irwin "Yank" Boyd (Pennsylvania)
Tom Brennan (Pennsylvania)

Were there any Canadian-born, US-raised players in the NHL before 1967?


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I can't give you specifics but hockey has been played in those northern states for quite a long time, I'd venture to say in every one of those states since the early 20th century.

Even if the level of play wasn't always really high there was enough of a grassroots hockey scene going on for these players to find their way to the big leagues.

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Yeah, it's no surprise that the overwhelming majority came from the three states with the strongest history of hockey support.

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I was curious about where pre-Expansion American born players received their hockey training, so I compiled this list. The following numbers are of players who received training in the state they were born in:
Minnesota-20
Massachusetts-15
Michigan-12
New York-1
North Dakota-1

The following list of players were born in the US, raised (mostly) in Canada:
Roger "Broadway" Jenkins (Wisconsin)
Pete Babando (Pennsylvania)
Jesse Spring (Pennsylvania)
Cecil Dillon (Ohio)
Billy Burch (NY)
Alex Levinsky (NY)
Armand Raymond (NY)
Johnny Matz (Nebraska or Wyoming)
Harry Mummery (Illinois)
Guyle Fielder (Idaho)
Aud Tuten (Alabama)
Louis Trudel (Massachusetts)
Carl Voss (Massachusetts)
Norm Dussault (Massachusetts)
Gerry Foley (Massachusetts)
Ray Barry (Massachusetts)
Ed Carpenter (Michigan)
Cliff Barton (Michigan)
Leo Goldsworthy (Minnesota)

The next two I was unsure of which state they received their training in:
Moe Roberts (Connecticut or Massachusetts)
Bob Blake (Wisconsin or Minnesota)

The final list is of players where I could not find much information of where they received their training:

Wayne Hicks (Washington) born in the same town as Kurt Cobain found his way to Calgary of the WCJHL in 54 at the age of 16

Burr Williams (Oklahoma) played for Duluth in the AHA at age 18 and for Detroit in the IHL before a brief career in the NHL

Fern "Curley" Headley (North Dakota) played for Saskatoon Quakers in the N-SSHL at the age of 18

Ron Moffat (North Dakota) played in Saskatoon, then in the AHA/IHL much like Burr Williams path

Frank "Frosty" Peters (NY) played for the Boston maples in the USAHA at 19 then in the CHL one season and the Can-Am league in between where he played one pointless season in the NHL getting 59 PIMs in 43 regular season games and 2 more PIM in 4 playoff games.

Ivan "the Terrible" Irwin (Illinois) played in the Toronto area at 16 and at least went to high school there.

Bob "Red" Hall (Illinois) played in Brooklyn at the age of 18 then in the USAHA at the age of 24, I don't know what he did in his age 20-21-22, 23 seasons

Frank Beisler (Connecticut) played with Hershey in the EAHL at the age of 20 then the Can-Am and IAHL league for New Haven

Richard Bittner (Connecticut) played pro in the EAHL and PCHL starting at the age of 22

Pat Shea (Idaho) played in Pittsburgh at age 19 in the same season he saw his only 10 NHL games with the Black Hawks

Bob Ring (Massachusetts)played for Niagara falls in the OHL

Irwin "Yank" Boyd (Pennsylvania) played jr and sr hockey for the Toronto Canoe Club at the age of 17 then in the Can-Am league, IHL and AHA before his cup of coffee in 43 with 5 games for Boston recording an assist and 4 PIMs.

Tom Brennan (Pennsylvania) played Jr in Montreal in 39, perhaps C1958 knows him?...lol

Were there any Canadian-born, US-raised players in the NHL before 1967?
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Thanks. Hicks, I suspect, grew up in Alberta. "Ivan the Terrible" went back up to Ontario after he retired. Bob Ring, after his lone NHL game, played college hockey for Acadia so he might have also been a Canadian.

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I was curious about where pre-Expansion American born players received their hockey training, so I compiled this list. The following numbers are of players who received training in the state they were born in:
Minnesota-20
Massachusetts-15
Michigan-12
New York-1
North Dakota-1
This has to be where the "3M" States of USA hockey saying comes from.

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