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03-07-2012, 09:07 AM
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Now that Osama is gone, is this guy the new Hide & Seek World Champion?

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03-07-2012, 09:19 AM
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Let's keep in mind that the organization behind this campaign is incredibly shady.

See:

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/
http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02...ible-children/

Inform yourselves before blindly following and spreading something.

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03-07-2012, 09:24 AM
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It's the Facebook slacktivism topic of the week. Of course, arresting Kony creates a vacuum that another cruel warlord will take.

Reminds of Samuel Doe/Charles Taylor in Liberia.

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03-07-2012, 09:37 AM
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03-07-2012, 09:39 AM
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this is getting out of hand.

i dont even get the point of the video, troops are in Africa right now, they accomplished their goal

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03-07-2012, 09:42 AM
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this is getting out of hand.

i dont even get the point of the video, troops are in Africa right now, they accomplished their goal
Shut up and go buy some bracelets.

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03-07-2012, 10:12 AM
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I'm skeptical of this; Kony is indeed a bad man, but Invisible Children has links to the Ugandan Government which also commits war crimes.

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03-07-2012, 10:30 AM
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I understand why he should be stopped, ad I am all for. But let's face it, if and when we take him out of the picture, when will we see another monster take his place? Frankly, Africa is one of the most ass-backwards places on Earth, and it is really, all a cycle of genocide, war and suffering. Taking out one man just won't make it all go away.
This is probably the best post in this thread.

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03-07-2012, 12:07 PM
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03-07-2012, 12:16 PM
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Let's keep in mind that the organization behind this campaign is incredibly shady.

See:

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/
http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02...ible-children/

Inform yourselves before blindly following and spreading something.
It's annoying how quickly things spread now a days and how reluctant people are to read information that contradicts their hastily formed opinions.

Thanks for the info, read it myself but really don't know what to do with it. If I started linking it to my friends who blindly follow things on Facebook I'd be chastised for not being sympathetic enough.

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03-07-2012, 12:28 PM
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It's annoying how quickly things spread now a days and how reluctant people are to read information that contradicts their hastily formed opinions.

Thanks for the info, read it myself but really don't know what to do with it. If I started linking it to my friends who blindly follow things on Facebook I'd be chastised for not being sympathetic enough.
How would these tumblr accounts contradict anyone's opinion on Kony and the need to at least speak out against it?

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03-07-2012, 01:02 PM
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How would these tumblr accounts contradict anyone's opinion on Kony and the need to at least speak out against it?
Never said it contradicts him or the need to speak out against it. Never hurts to learn who is behind a cause though, and to bring everyone to justice for the same/similar crimes. Uganda's got their own corruption and issues that need addressed.

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03-07-2012, 01:12 PM
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The awareness itself is great, but their approach is something that needs to be a concern. The Uganda military and its president has done atrocious things in the past, so this organization wants the donation in order to fund the Uganda military in order to kill a man who's' not even in Uganda anymore...Sounds suspicious to me.

And let's say we do find the man and kill him, do they really think he doesn't have future successors educated in order for them to run their 'army'?

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03-07-2012, 01:26 PM
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And let's say we do find the man and kill him, do they really think he doesn't have future successors educated in order for them to run their 'army'
Exact same thing with bin Laden. So was there any point to trying to capture him?

I mean, I agree that long-term solutions (whatever the hell those are) would be better. But people using this as an argument to justify doing nothing is nonsense.

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The awareness itself is great, but their approach is something that needs to be a concern. The Uganda military and its president has done atrocious things in the past, so this organization wants the donation in order to fund the Uganda military in order to kill a man who's' not even in Uganda anymore...Sounds suspicious to me.

And let's say we do find the man and kill him, do they really think he doesn't have future successors educated in order for them to run their 'army'?
This is what I meant, except I got side tracked ranting about how I hate social media.

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Exact same thing with bin Laden. So was there any point to trying to capture him?

I mean, I agree that long-term solutions (whatever the hell those are) would be better. But people using this as an argument to justify doing nothing is nonsense.
Agreed. Doing nothing can't really be an option, but they make it sound as if taking Kony out will put an end to the misery. So really you need to systematically remove these types of people, but is that feasible?

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Exact same thing with bin Laden. So was there any point to trying to capture him?

I mean, I agree that long-term solutions (whatever the hell those are) would be better. But people using this as an argument to justify doing nothing is nonsense.
In my opinion, capturing Bin Laden was a symbol for avenge that the Americans were looking for after 9/11. Look, I'm not against getting rid of this guy at all, he's a symbol of what is wrong with this world we live in, but I'm not quite fond of the way this organization is trying to change the world.

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03-07-2012, 01:40 PM
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This is great, I needed something to replace my breast cancer awareness bracelet. I'll soon be rocking my Kony 2012 to show how current and compassionate I am.

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Let's keep in mind that the organization behind this campaign is incredibly shady.

See:

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/
http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02...ible-children/

Inform yourselves before blindly following and spreading something.
I was going to link these. I have one friend at a top academic school who posted the link to the second one and has had a few friends (all girls) call him ignorant and then remove him.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/...120879184.html

That, and not only is foreign aid a horrible round-about way of trying to get things done but as someone I know put it, it is like giving a delinquent teenager (in this case the government in Uganda) $1000.00 at the mall and telling them only to buy a candy bar, but there won't be any consequences if they don't.

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03-07-2012, 02:09 PM
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Let's keep in mind that the organization behind this campaign is incredibly shady.

See:

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/
http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02...ible-children/

Inform yourselves before blindly following and spreading something.
Since when is an undergraduate student on tumblr the source of truth? Honestly, isn't it more sad that people are justifying complacency because of an undergraduate's blog post than people getting emotionally moved on social media?

Seriously people.

Invisible Children isn't a perfect NGO, but for God's sake, they're not part of some grand conspiracy. Look for yourself:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/inde...ry&orgid=12429

3 out of 4 stars. Not that bad, all things considered. 4 out of 4 on finances too.

It's a legitimate charity and a legitimate campaign.

Will it succeed? That's another question. But holy hell it annoys me when people automatically discredit any movement with ad hominems, straw mans, red herrings, or whatever other logical fallacy you want to use.

Yes, everyone needs to inform themselves more on Kony, on Invisible Children, on the movement and on the strategy. But damnit, don't do it through some random blog post by a know-nothing.

In my opinion, the negativity thrown against this movement and others (see: Occupy) is that people don't want to believe that change can happen. They don't want to believe that them getting up off their ass is more useful than them playing Skyrim and eating Doritos. We find amazing ways to justify our selfishness and laziness, but most of it doesn't stand up to two minutes of critical argument.

I don't even care if someone is against this movement. But let's justify it with something better than "the CEO makes $90,000." Come on.

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03-07-2012, 02:29 PM
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Anyone ever see 24: Redemption?

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Anyone ever see 24: Redemption?
We obviously need to send Jack Bauer to Uganda.

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