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03-06-2012, 10:58 AM
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Why has Patrick Kaleta's role increased this year?

He is a liability out there even strength. Not only that but his scoring has gone down. So more minutes less scoring.

He is a 4th line player that should get no more than 10 minutes a game. I don't know what Ruff is trying to turn him into.

And why does Vanek only get 13:33 even strength minutes a game? Just to compare other top left Wings, Kovalchuk gets 18:45, Heatley gets 17:06, Parise gets 16:19, Ovechkin gets 15:55...and our guy gets 13:33, about the same as Gerbe's 13:25.

Trade Vanek if you want to use him like this, what a waste.

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Why does vanek deserve more ice time right now. Team needs wins and right now he isn't performing.

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The Vanek ice time thing is really worthy of it's own separate discussion. Not sure why you lumped it in here.

Honestly, I thought Kaleta's overall game for the last couple weeks has been much better. Under control, hitting when he can, better with the puck. It's been nice to see since he can't skate withing 10 feet of anyone without getting a penalty.

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"He is a liability out there even strength."

Really? Based on what?

I bet that's why him, Gerbe and Goose were the shutdown line.

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Probably because he's a hell of a defensive player who leaves everything on the ice every shift and would block a shot with his face if he had to. Not to mention he frustrated the crap out of other teams top players, draws penalties and is the only sandpaper this team has.

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He is a liability out there even strength. Not only that but his scoring has gone down. So more minutes less scoring.
Didn't he just get two primary assists on Leino's goals only 2 games ago in Vancouver?

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In the last 6 games Kaleta has more points than Vanek!!!!!!!!

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He is a liability out there even strength. Not only that but his scoring has gone down. So more minutes less scoring.
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- 1.5 Penalties drawn per 60 mins (best among forwards by 33%)
- He also takes less penalties per 60, then Roy or Vanek.
- His Quality of Competition is 3rd highest among forwards (poms/van are the highest), shows Kaleta as a shut down forward by role.
- He does all that with the 3rd lowest Quality of Teammate on the team, behind Ellis and McCormick
- His GA per 60 minutes on ice is 2nd best among the top 9 forwards. Not only is it a great indication that he's not a liability, but combined with his quality of competition it shows that he is absolutely succeeding in a shut down role

GA per 60 mins of Kaleta on the ice = 1.85
GA per 60 mins of Kaleta off the ice = 2.43

Kaleta IS a shut down forward, and needs a BIGGER role, not a lesser one


You should do your homework

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- 1.5 Penalties drawn per 60 mins (best among forwards by 33%)
- He also takes less penalties per 60, then Roy or Vanek.
- His Quality of Competition is 3rd highest among forwards (poms/van are the highest), shows Kaleta as a shut down forward by role.
- He does all that with the 3rd lowest Quality of Teammate on the team, behind Ellis and McCormick
- His GA per 60 minutes on ice is 2nd best among the top 9 forwards. Not only is it a great indication that he's not a liability, but combined with his quality of competition it shows that he is absolutely succeeding in a shut down role

GA per 60 mins of Kaleta on the ice = 1.85
GA per 60 mins of Kaleta off the ice = 2.43

Kaleta IS a shut down forward, and needs a BIGGER role, not a lesser one


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- 1.5 Penalties drawn per 60 mins (best among forwards by 33%)
- He also takes less penalties per 60, then Roy or Vanek.
- His Quality of Competition is 3rd highest among forwards (poms/van are the highest), shows Kaleta as a shut down forward by role.
- He does all that with the 3rd lowest Quality of Teammate on the team, behind Ellis and McCormick
- His GA per 60 minutes on ice is 2nd best among the top 9 forwards. Not only is it a great indication that he's not a liability, but combined with his quality of competition it shows that he is absolutely succeeding in a shut down role

GA per 60 mins of Kaleta on the ice = 1.85
GA per 60 mins of Kaleta off the ice = 2.43

Kaleta IS a shut down forward, and needs a BIGGER role, not a lesser one


You should do your homework
How do you find those stats?

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false...
- 1.5 Penalties drawn per 60 mins (best among forwards by 33%)
- He also takes less penalties per 60, then Roy or Vanek.
- His Quality of Competition is 3rd highest among forwards (poms/van are the highest), shows Kaleta as a shut down forward by role.
- He does all that with the 3rd lowest Quality of Teammate on the team, behind Ellis and McCormick
- His GA per 60 minutes on ice is 2nd best among the top 9 forwards. Not only is it a great indication that he's not a liability, but combined with his quality of competition it shows that he is absolutely succeeding in a shut down role

GA per 60 mins of Kaleta on the ice = 1.85
GA per 60 mins of Kaleta off the ice = 2.43

Kaleta IS a shut down forward, and needs a BIGGER role, not a lesser one


You should do your homework
where are you getting these stats

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behindthenet.ca:

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...3+67&ds=30&f5=

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- 1.5 Penalties drawn per 60 mins (best among forwards by 33%)
- He also takes less penalties per 60, then Roy or Vanek.
- His Quality of Competition is 3rd highest among forwards (poms/van are the highest), shows Kaleta as a shut down forward by role.
- He does all that with the 3rd lowest Quality of Teammate on the team, behind Ellis and McCormick
- His GA per 60 minutes on ice is 2nd best among the top 9 forwards. Not only is it a great indication that he's not a liability, but combined with his quality of competition it shows that he is absolutely succeeding in a shut down role

GA per 60 mins of Kaleta on the ice = 1.85
GA per 60 mins of Kaleta off the ice = 2.43

Kaleta IS a shut down forward, and needs a BIGGER role, not a lesser one


You should do your homework
Well done sir !!!!

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- 1.5 Penalties drawn per 60 mins (best among forwards by 33%)
- He also takes less penalties per 60, then Roy or Vanek.
- His Quality of Competition is 3rd highest among forwards (poms/van are the highest), shows Kaleta as a shut down forward by role.
- He does all that with the 3rd lowest Quality of Teammate on the team, behind Ellis and McCormick
- His GA per 60 minutes on ice is 2nd best among the top 9 forwards. Not only is it a great indication that he's not a liability, but combined with his quality of competition it shows that he is absolutely succeeding in a shut down role

GA per 60 mins of Kaleta on the ice = 1.85
GA per 60 mins of Kaleta off the ice = 2.43

Kaleta IS a shut down forward, and needs a BIGGER role, not a lesser one


You should do your homework
You need a mic to drop.

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Fact: Kaleta had a bad game against Winnipeg.

Fact: The game against Winnipeg was just one game.

Fact: Kaleta has been decent for most of the year, although his "big hits" are down significantly.

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OP hasn't watched too many games recently, I think. Kaleta has been playing his best hockey ever, and you don't need Sabremetric stats to see that.

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This year, I've felt like Kaleta has gone from a nice to have, but no big deal if he leaves player, to one that I think they should really make a concerted effort to keep.

I'm glad to see that there are stats to backup what I was thinking.

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- He also takes less penalties per 60, then Roy or Vanek.
And how many of those penalties -- especially lately -- are BS calls based solely on reputation and very little on any observable infraction?

He had that one rough game against the Rangers. Maybe that's what's sticking out in the OP's mind, I dunno....

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Kaleta is a big, dumb meatball, but I'd want him to get some consideration for wearing an 'A' next year. The guy gives it everything he has. There was a thread on players with the most heart on the main board, I though Kaleta deserved some recognition. Gerbe and Ellis got the most Sabre votes, I think Kaleta is right there, if not ahead of them IMO.

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There was a thread on players with the most heart on the main board, I though Kaleta deserved some recognition. Gerbe and Ellis got the most Sabre votes, I think Kaleta is right there, if not ahead of them IMO.
That's probably due to the fact that just about every non-Sabres fan on this website views him as a gutless, talentless POS.

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- 1.5 Penalties drawn per 60 mins (best among forwards by 33%)
- He also takes less penalties per 60, then Roy or Vanek.
- His Quality of Competition is 3rd highest among forwards (poms/van are the highest), shows Kaleta as a shut down forward by role.
- He does all that with the 3rd lowest Quality of Teammate on the team, behind Ellis and McCormick
- His GA per 60 minutes on ice is 2nd best among the top 9 forwards. Not only is it a great indication that he's not a liability, but combined with his quality of competition it shows that he is absolutely succeeding in a shut down role

GA per 60 mins of Kaleta on the ice = 1.85
GA per 60 mins of Kaleta off the ice = 2.43

Kaleta IS a shut down forward, and needs a BIGGER role, not a lesser one


You should do your homework
Boom.

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- 1.5 Penalties drawn per 60 mins (best among forwards by 33%)
- He also takes less penalties per 60, then Roy or Vanek.
- His Quality of Competition is 3rd highest among forwards (poms/van are the highest), shows Kaleta as a shut down forward by role.
- He does all that with the 3rd lowest Quality of Teammate on the team, behind Ellis and McCormick
- His GA per 60 minutes on ice is 2nd best among the top 9 forwards. Not only is it a great indication that he's not a liability, but combined with his quality of competition it shows that he is absolutely succeeding in a shut down role

GA per 60 mins of Kaleta on the ice = 1.85
GA per 60 mins of Kaleta off the ice = 2.43

Kaleta IS a shut down forward, and needs a BIGGER role, not a lesser one


You should do your homework

I wasn't aware of a few of those things ....



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thanks...

i consider Kaleta a core piece to the present and future. a critical component of building a successful roster. and easily the most underrated player on the team (sekera is finally getting his due credit amongst fans)

He's 8th in ES and TOT Ice time, and 2nd in SH ice time...

He's being used as, succeeding as, and should finally be recognized as a shut down, 3rd line, checking forward

He's Mike Grier circa the co caps era

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