According to cap geek and, self admittedly, I may be overreacting and not fully understand the numbers, but I would say overpaid like by 2 million per... good lord, he makes twice as much as Marchand and more than Bergeron, Lucic, Krejci, Savard, Horton, and Tim thomas....
that's not a fair question because some teams can't even attract FAs to overpay
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And some teams can only attract terrible free agents that end up being badly overpaid and either float or spend time in the press box until they are eventually shipped to the AHL.
But I think around 1/3 of the league would give Grabo 5.5 but true contenders would not.
Career .64 PPG, never hit 30 goals or assists, not really in Backes' category at 4.5M x 5 heading toward his UFA year. Voted over a million. Terrible contract.
Career .64 PPG, never hit 30 goals or assists, not really in Backes' category at 4.5M x 5 heading toward his UFA year. Voted over a million. Terrible contract.
I hate this argument, never hit 30-30? he hit 29-29 i think thats pushing it. Not to mention he's 9 goals and 4 assists shy of that feat this season while only playing 61 games.
It is a bad contract. 5 and 1/2 Mil for Grabovski is 2 1/2 Mil too much. No way he should be making over 3 million with what he's proven thus far. I don't even think Kessel is worth 5 million a year btw, infact 3 million is enough for each of them.
It is a bad contract. 5 and 1/2 Mil for Grabovski is 2 1/2 Mil too much. No way he should be making over 3 million with what he's proven thus far. I don't even think Kessel is worth 5 million a year btw, infact 3 million is enough for each of them.
You are a joke. You dont believe a guy that is top 5 in points and top 3 in goals deserves 5 million?
Shows how smart people are on here. Also shows the bias against the leafs. People who hate on the leafs are probably the same people who kick people when they are down or punch a cripple. Their fans have not seen playoff hockey in 8 years and you constantly hate on them? They should be praised for sticking with their joke of a team.
According to cap geek and, self admittedly, I may be overreacting and not fully understand the numbers, but I would say overpaid like by 2 million per... good lord, he makes twice as much as Marchand and more than Bergeron, Lucic, Krejci, Savard, Horton, and Tim thomas....
Hm, let's see here:
Marchand: Signed as an RFA after his rookie season
Bergeron: More of a comparable to Grabs
Lucic: Signed as an RFA
Krejci: Starting next year, he's only making 250K less than Grabs. Pretty close.
Savard: His cap hit is lower, but he will be making more per year than Grabs until 13-14.
Horton: Signed his deal in 07-08.
Thomas: It's difficult to compare goalies to players
So, the only two comparable Bruins players are Bergeron and Krejci. But, there's not much of a gap, and I am of the opinion that the Leafs paid ~500K too much.
And some teams can only attract terrible free agents that end up being badly overpaid and either float or spend time in the press box until they are eventually shipped to the AHL.
But I think around 1/3 of the league would give Grabo 5.5 but true contenders would not.
Marchand: Signed as an RFA after his rookie season
Bergeron: More of a comparable to Grabs
Lucic: Signed as an RFA
Krejci: Starting next year, he's only making 250K less than Grabs. Pretty close.
Savard: His cap hit is lower, but he will be making more per year than Grabs until 13-14.
Horton: Signed his deal in 07-08.
Thomas: It's difficult to compare goalies to players
So, the only two comparable Bruins players are Bergeron and Krejci. But, there's not much of a gap, and I am of the opinion that the Leafs paid ~500K too much.
umm... contractual wise, they are ALL comparable, so ya, umm....
all you have to do is step back and take a look and think, who would you rather have for that money...
and adding insult to injury, Grabs said something like, "I love playing in Toronto and the management knows this and did everything they could to keep me here".... Hey Grabs, thanks for the discount for the city you love playing for.....
umm... contractual wise, they are ALL comparable, so ya, umm....
all you have to do is step back and take a look and think, who would you rather have for that money...
and adding insult to injury, Grabs said something like, "I love playing in Toronto and the management knows this and did everything they could to keep me here".... Hey Grabs, thanks for the discount for the city you love playing for.....
None of them are comparable time of signing and contract status has a big impact.
For example, a 5.5 million contract in 2008 is 10.8% of total cap which would be equal to a 6.9 million do all contract now, while RFA's are restricted to signing with one team rather than 30 so there is not really room to hold out or play hardball unless you wanna sit for a season. In Savard's case, its a retirement contract and front loaded so he is being paid well over Grabovski for the years he is intending to play.
Just to put this deal into context, Grabovski is 23 in centre scoring while playing less games than everyone but Malkin, Toews and Ribeiro. Of the 22 players ahead of him in centre scoring, only Filppula, Jokinen, Bergeron (barely), Couture (ELC), Seguin (ELC), Desharnais (ELC), O'Reilly (ELC), Ribeiro (Barely), Krejci (Barely), and Weiss have a lower cap hit.
Of those players, Bergeron, Krejci, Couture, Seguin and O'Reilly are the only players i favour over Grabovski. He is slightly over paid but not to a significant amount that it'll hinder the Leafs from any other deals.
Not to mention Hemsky just recently signed a 5 mill and Ruttu 4.75 mil and i take Grabo over both.
Man the Bruins must be good!
"Overpaid" is nitpicky sometimes. Hes in the same league as Bergy and Krejci (definitely not as good, but in the "borderline first/second line center" group). Hes probably worth 5 million a year, but it might be worth it to just give him the extra 500k so there is no bad ill will towards each other.
All in all, definitely not a steal, but i wouldnt call it an "overpayment" really. If he hit 6 that might be pushing it.
"Overpaid" is nitpicky sometimes. Hes in the same league as Bergy and Krejci (definitely not as good, but in the "borderline first/second line center" group). Hes probably worth 5 million a year, but it might be worth it to just give him the extra 500k so there is no bad ill will towards each other.
All in all, definitely not a steal, but i wouldnt call it an "overpayment" really. If he hit 6 that might be pushing it.
umm... contractual wise, they are ALL comparable, so ya, umm....
all you have to do is step back and take a look and think, who would you rather have for that money...
and adding insult to injury, Grabs said something like, "I love playing in Toronto and the management knows this and did everything they could to keep me here".... Hey Grabs, thanks for the discount for the city you love playing for.....
Not really tbh. Grabo is a 28 year old UFA who has proven to be a reliable center in this league. Marchand and Lucic signed as very young RFAs, which gives them far less leverage. Horton pretty much the same thing, he'll likely get a bump up as well when he re signs. Savard was a proven 90 point centerman who got a pretty iffy contract with more cash up front I believe. Cap hit doesnt equal salary.
Bergeron and Krejci are good comparables talent-wise/age wise (both are better, but nonetheless), and both are making comparable money.
None of them are comparable time of signing and contract status has a big impact.
For example, a 5.5 million contract in 2008 is 10.8% of total cap which would be equal to a 6.9 million do all contract now, while RFA's are restricted to signing with one team rather than 30 so there is not really room to hold out or play hardball unless you wanna sit for a season. In Savard's case, its a retirement contract and front loaded so he is being paid well over Grabovski for the years he is intending to play.
krecji and Marchand just resigned, rfa, yes, but they could have just waited and signed somewhere else, and they would not have got what Grabs did. Huge over payment by toronto.
krecji and Marchand just resigned, rfa, yes, but they could have just waited and signed somewhere else, and they would not have got what Grabs did. Huge over payment by toronto.
Krejci is getting practically the same amount.
When Marchand signed his contract he had only played ONE nhl season with 41 points. Grabo has had much more proven success than that. Plus he was a UFA.
krecji and Marchand just resigned, rfa, yes, but they could have just waited and signed somewhere else, and they would not have got what Grabs did. Huge over payment by toronto.
krecji and Marchand just resigned, rfa, yes, but they could have just waited and signed somewhere else, and they would not have got what Grabs did. Huge over payment by toronto.
this guy knows what he's talking about
marchand and krejci DID threaten to sign in the KHL right?
He would have got 5 years, $5.5 mil on the UFA market. Cap hit could have been smaller if he was signed to less years, obviously, but at 5 years that's the kind of money he would get. Did we get a hometown discount? No. But it's a fine market-value deal, this isn't a James Wisniewski type contract where you're like "how the ***** did that player get that much money?!?!?"
You really can't compare RFA deals to UFA deals, and you can't even compare UFA deals where a guy is willing to take a hometown discount to ones where a guy wants his market value. Grabo was only going to re-sign for market value, so that's what Burke gave him. If you don't think Grabo could get 5 years, $5.5 mil per year from many different teams on the UFA market, you're dead wrong. I was hoping we'd get a hometown discount, and get him for around $5 mil per year, but $5.5 mil per year is fine, it's market value.
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