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If Parenteau earns more than Tavares, would Tavares be happy with that? He was brought in to be the face of that franchise and the future and I think putting someone on more than him would make him question that. Also, if Parenteau's contract goes higher than Tavares - does that mean Tavares will ask for the same or more?
I can see the Isles not wanting to pay a player more than Tavares but one is in his second contract and is at a pretty cheap deal of an average of 5.5 million per year. I don't think Parenteau will get more than that personally but if I'm Tavares, I'd rather have P.A over another Rolston who is overpaid and good for nothing but his cap hit.
Tavares already signed his contract so I don't understand your last question, he can't re-negotiate a deal when already in one.
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The main problem with signing PA Parenteau to a bigger contract (More than $4m) is the people offering the deal. Snow and Wang seem happy playing to the lower floor of the cap at the moment.
It's worse than that, they are thrilled to be spending below the cap floor through bonuses and backloaded deals.
If Parenteau earns more than Tavares, would Tavares be happy with that? He was brought in to be the face of that franchise and the future and I think putting someone on more than him would make him question that. Also, if Parenteau's contract goes higher than Tavares - does that mean Tavares will ask for the same or more?
If he earns more than Tavares the GM who gave it to him should lose his damn job....Theres overpaying and then there just down rite stupid and wasting valuable cap space
That is the underlying problem, and why it is going to suck to watch him walk b/c I know they'll bring in an aging scrub, untested rookie, or cast-off gamble to replace him. You're absolutely correct.
Completely agree with you as well. If he walks then you have to question Snow and Wang's want to improve the Islanders. I hope he doesn't walk as the Islanders seem to have a good set core up top now. If he did walk I could see him getting around $4.5M on the market. Wouldn't blame him to try it though if someone could guarantee him that deal.
Completely agree with you as well. If he walks then you have to question Snow and Wang's want to improve the Islanders. I hope he doesn't walk as the Islanders seem to have a good set core up top now. If he did walk I could see him getting around $4.5M on the market. Wouldn't blame him to try it though if someone could guarantee him that deal.
The newest mod strutting his stuff about the Isles, love it. Congrats again.
I think Parenteau is as good as gone. I can't see the Isles giving him what he could get on the open market. The recent move of John Bailey to RW could be a pre-emptive move to see who can replace him.
If he earns more than Tavares the GM who gave it to him should lose his damn job....Theres overpaying and then there just down rite stupid and wasting valuable cap space
Just realize that if Parenteau walks, we're very likely adding another Brian Rolston.
Completely agree with you as well. If he walks then you have to question Snow and Wang's want to improve the Islanders. I hope he doesn't walk as the Islanders seem to have a good set core up top now. If he did walk I could see him getting around $4.5M on the market. Wouldn't blame him to try it though if someone could guarantee him that deal.
Many of us have been questioning their "want to improve" the team now for a while. Like mentioned above, Wang is kind of circumventing the cap floor via buyout salaries in terms of the salary actually paid to playing, player salaries. In terms of wanting to improve, I'll believe it when I see it. Until 2015 when the lease runs out, Wang has shown he is not holding players or coaches accountable for on ice performance and that they aren't bringing in any quality free agents. I suspect they'll pull the same act this summer of leaking information about a "huge free-agent offer" that was spurned because of the arena. In the end, fans are left wanting more.
Just realize that if Parenteau walks, we're very likely adding another Brian Rolston.
I would rather Nino(most likley BPORT) play on a better line if PAP walks then have him stay at 5.5 mil....Im sorry thats just too much for him... and It kinda forces them to play him on the top line when i still think we need to add a star winger....
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The Islanders are 'proud' to announce our newest acquisition... Scott Gomez.
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The Islanders fail hard against big and mobile teams. PAP is part of the problem when it comes to that.
His biggest asset is being able to stickhandle the puck into the offensive zone. He's an asset on the power play, as he is whenever there is more time and space on the ice.
I think Kyle Okposo or Bailey (now playing wing) will be fine at 5-on-5 to replace him...assuming that PAP wants too much. How the power play would suffer would remain to be seen. We really haven't seen a change to the top power play unit to even guess. We have see Okposo on JT's wing. A dry spell of 3 games and a complete lack of scoring from all of our other lines ended that experiment. How'd that experiment go? Go have a look at Kyle Okposo's numbers for January. Take a look at JT's. Go look at JT's +/- for January; then, look at JT's +/- for every other month.
Back on topic...
Ideally, PAP gets $3 million/year for 2 years. Realistically, he's probably getting $4 million/year for 2+ years. If there's a sucker out there that is willing to pay him $5 million+/year at any length, then they better have the right personnel to slot him next to.
Do you have a goal scoring center that can skate and drive to the net? PAP would be right for you.
Do you have a relatively strong skating team and a decent amount of big bodies that you can afford to have PAP in a playmaking winger role and have space to use him on the PP? Again, PAP would be right for you.
Do you have two big guys who can cycle the puck well and get to loose pucks in the offensive zone, but can't actually carry it in for some reason? Again, PAP would be right for you.
Do you have a lot of small players and/or a weak skating team?
Stay away.
Use him correctly, and he's a very good complementary playmaking winger. His accuracy on his shot completely varies as does his decision making (though overall he has reduced the amount of forced plays and giveaways. A big part in the increase of his effectiveness.) His skating is fairly brutal even though he has a decent top speed (after about 8 pumps.) His passing ability is very strong most of the time. He's great at the shootout. His effort is always there. If there's actually a chance that he can become a more powerful skater still, then there's some upside still there. If not, then everything I've stated is exactly what you're going to get.
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Edit - Final note: An an Islanders fan, I'm not afraid of losing him. Our mix at forward needs a lot of changes. I'm more afraid of what we're going to replace him with. We have a glut of playmaking wingers. We lack sizable wingers with goal scoring. We lack a 1A center with goal scoring and drive to the net who can compete in front of the net on offense and defense.
Completely agree with you as well. If he walks then you have to question Snow and Wang's want to improve the Islanders. I hope he doesn't walk as the Islanders seem to have a good set core up top now. If he did walk I could see him getting around $4.5M on the market. Wouldn't blame him to try it though if someone could guarantee him that deal.
Then what are Wang and Snow supposed to do?Wildly overpay a very good 2nd liner,so that they can show fans and the media that they care about the team?
The press says the hangup on getting Parenteau signed wasn't dollar amount,but term.I'd rather see Pareanteau walk then see him get 5-6 yrs/$25m-$30m from Snow.
The Islanders fail hard against big and mobile teams. PAP is part of the problem when it comes to that.
His biggest asset is being able to stickhandle the puck into the offensive zone. He's an asset on the power play, as he is whenever there is more time and space on the ice.
I think Kyle Okposo or Bailey (now playing wing) will be fine at 5-on-5 to replace him...assuming that PAP wants too much. How the power play would suffer would remain to be seen. We really haven't seen a change to the top power play unit to even guess. We have see Okposo on JT's wing. A dry spell of 3 games and a complete lack of scoring from all of our other lines ended that experiment. How'd that experiment go? Go have a look at Kyle Okposo's numbers for January. Take a look at JT's. Go look at JT's +/- for January; then, look at JT's +/- for every other month.
Back on topic...
Ideally, PAP gets $3 million/year for 2 years. Realistically, he's probably getting $4 million/year for 2+ years. If there's a sucker out there that is willing to pay him $5 million+/year at any length, then they better have the right personnel to slot him next to.
Do you have a goal scoring center that can skate and drive to the net? PAP would be right for you.
Do you have a relatively strong skating team and a decent amount of big bodies that you can afford to have PAP in a playmaking winger role and have space to use him on the PP? Again, PAP would be right for you.
Do you have two big guys who can cycle the puck well and get to loose pucks in the offensive zone, but can't actually carry it in for some reason? Again, PAP would be right for you.
Do you have a lot of small players and/or a weak skating team?
Stay away.
Use him correctly, and he's a very good complementary playmaking winger. His accuracy on his shot completely varies as does his decision making (though overall he has reduced the amount of forced plays and giveaways. A big part in the increase of his effectiveness.) His skating is fairly brutal even though he has a decent top speed (after about 8 pumps.) His passing ability is very strong most of the time. He's great at the shootout. His effort is always there. If there's actually a chance that he can become a more powerful skater still, then there's some upside still there. If not, then everything I've stated is exactly what you're going to get.
This information is free of charge. Enjoy!
Edit - Final note: An an Islanders fan, I'm not afraid of losing him. Our mix at forward needs a lot of changes. I'm more afraid of what we're going to replace him with. We have a glut of playmaking wingers. We lack sizable wingers with goal scoring. We lack a 1A center with goal scoring and drive to the net who can compete in front of the net on offense and defense.
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Mitch
Great post as always from Mitch...
I been saying for awhile that I wish they would see Bailey on JT's wing....Not at Tavares level but Bailey has that type of skill where hes slick and good with the puck,and could read the play well...Only Problem hes not that guy to do Battle along the Boards to take the pressure of JT...Okposo did it for a stretch and then just stoped....I llike PAP but we still need an Allstar Winger for JT to play with...Somone proven with Skill and a track record..we have tons of assets and they are not all going to make it to the NHL s we should be looking to make a deal for that TOP winger and Dman......Shero did great when he got Neal and Niskanen for Goligoski...We need to get a Neal type of trade...
Also the team that you are describing for PAP is the DUCKS.....But can they afford him....?
As much as I'm looking forward to turning the page and seeing the last of Eaton,Mottou(gone already) and Staios in NYI uniforms,that does not mean I want someone else's chicken ****.
The rangers didn't demote Redden because he was overpaid.They demoted him because of how badly he played.
I been saying for awhile that I wish they would see Bailey on JT's wing....Not at Tavares level but Bailey has that type of skill where hes slick and good with the puck,and could read the play well...Only Problem hes not that guy to do Battle along the Boards to take the pressure of JT...Okposo did it for a stretch and then just stoped....I llike PAP but we still need an Allstar Winger for JT to play with...Somone proven with Skill and a track record..we have tons of assets and they are not all going to make it to the NHL s we should be looking to make a deal for that TOP winger and Dman......Shero did great when he got Neal and Niskanen for Goligoski...We need to get a Neal type of trade...
Also the team that you are describing for PAP is the DUCKS.....But can they afford him....?
I think he'd fit really well next to Jeff Carter for the Kings. With Penner coming off the books, PA might be a good fit for them. Along with our lineup and the Blue Jackets, I think the Kings could use some retooling. They at least have a lot they can work with though. I bet LA and Columbus could get back to work on something around Nash, as well.
Richards, Brown and Martinez for Nash and a pick (or something to even it out a little?)
Penner comes off the books for LA.
Sign PAP near Penner's money for a couple of years.
Throw Nash up top. PAP next to Carter. Two solid scoring lines that make a bit more sense.
Brown would help a young team come along; brings some goal scoring and leadership. Richards gives CBJ some protection for Johansen. Maneuvers some salary around a bit. Martinez and the pick or something going in either direction to try and even out the value as fans/GMs see fit.
Just playing around in my head. I think the cap implications can be worked out. Stoll might have to go for somebody cheaper. Maybe, Gagne gets traded. I think the teams could do even more to help each other. Add the Islanders to the mix, and I bet you could really maneuver some salary and players around. Or maybe the Kings just shed some salary as they can and try to take a run at Parise instead.
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