GDT: Game 67 | Detroit Red Wings @ Philadelphia Flyers | 7:00 PM EST | FS-D (HD) |

[WingedWheel1987]

This PP/PK will be the death of the Wings in the playoffs. Just like it has been the last two years.

[Heaton]

Originally Posted by WingedWheel1987

This PP/PK will be the death of the Wings in the playoffs. Just like it has been the last two years.

It's really interesting. Chicago and SJ have two of the worst PKs in the league and Chicago has one of the worst PP's in the league as well. The Rangers are close to dead last in PP%.

I think it's all about getting hot at the right time. The PP will have to become effective, I remember when the Penguins went to the finals in '08 (maybe '09?) their PP was TERRIBLE.

[fabricoh]

Originally Posted by Heaton

It's really interesting. Chicago and SJ have two of the worst PKs in the league and Chicago has one of the worst PP's in the league as well. The Rangers are close to dead last in PP%.

I think it's all about getting hot at the right time. The PP will have to become effective, I remember when the Penguins went to the finals in '08 (maybe '09?) their PP was TERRIBLE.

The PK has improved since Feb and will get better when Ericsson returns. He was playing big PK mins against tough competition before his injury. With the PP we need to pull the floaters off the ice and let the guys who can skate play. You have an extra skater but standing still completely negates the advantage as defenders can sag down and block shooting angles. The only floater you can keep on the ice is Franzen given he has one of the best shots on the team. So no Bert, no Cleary, no Hudler and definitely no Homer. I think Detroit should go with.

Lids
White
Kronwall
Smith

Pavs
Z
Fil
Mule
Helm (seriously)
Nyquist in an ideal world but it will never happen
Miller if no Nyquist

Miller has good hockey sense and can win board battles on shots that end up along the boards. Helm is becoming a good playmaker and I think putting him out there with an extra skater should help his confidence as far as generating offense. We just need to stop rewarding the floaters, particularly when they are taking the opportunity of playing with the man advantage to rest up and do nothing.

[TheOtherOne]

9 shorties against us this season right? Anyone have the stats handy for how many of them were with Huds manning the point?

[crashman]

I'm not NEARLY as doom and gloom as some people here, but the PP is a major weakness, and has been all season.

The most important thing now is getting Dastyuk, Lidstrom and Bertuzzi back and healthy and I think the PP will get much better with Quincey out there.

[Henkka]

Originally Posted by TheOtherOne

9 shorties against us this season right? Anyone have the stats handy for how many of them were with Huds manning the point?

Detroit @ Columbus 1-4
1-4 SHG EN - Derek MacKenzie (Umberger, Clitsome) - Wings on Ice: Lidström-White/Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Cleary-Hudler
Meningless empty-netter, can't see the mistake maker from highlights.

Detroit @ San Jose 2-5
1-1 SHG - Joe Pavelski (Thornton, Vlasic) - Wings on ice, Howard/Lidström-Kronwall/Franzen-Datsyuk-Holmström
Howard/Kronwall missed play in own end. Kronwall thinks that Howard will pass the puck to him, but Howie backs up to the goal, Thornton gets the puck and feeds Pavelski to score.

Detroit @ Los Angeles 4-1
0-1 SHG - Mike Richards (unassisted) - Wings on ice, Howard/Kronwall-Hudler/Filppula-Zetterberg-Cleary
Hudler/Cleary mistake. Cleary hwacks the puck badly to the point after a faceoff, Hudler can't get the bouncing puck and loses a skating race against Richards who gets a break-away.

Detroit @ Colorado 2-4
2-3 SHG - TJ Galiardi (Landeskog) - Wings on ice, Conklin/Kronwall-Stuart/Miller-Helm-Abdelkader
Miller/Helm mistake, guys cross eachother at neutral zone, Miller loses the puck and Avs get an immediate 2-on-1 and score.

Detroit @ Vancouver 2-4
2-4 SHG - Alex Edler (Hansen) - Wings on ice, Howard/Lidström-Hudler/Filppula-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Zetterberg/referee mistake. Z loses the puck at offensive zone, Hansen gets a breakaway, runs over Howard and Edler scores from the rebound. That goal should have been disallowed.

Detroit @ Phoenix 1-3
0-1 SHG - Boyd Gordon (unassisted) - Wings on ice, MacDonald/Kronwall-White/Filppula-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Zetterberg/Kronwall/White mistake. Zetterberg makes bad pass at offensive zone that doesn't get to point, Kronwall and White collide on each other catching the puck and Gordon gets a breakaway.

Colorado @ Detroit 4-3
2-0 SHG - David Jones (unassisted) - Wings on ice, Howard/Quincey-White/Hudler-Filppula-Bertuzzi
Quincey/referee mistake. Quincey loses the puck in front of the net when other Avs player trips him. Jones scores.

Detroit @ Columbus 5-2
1-2 SHG Derek MacKenzie (unassisted) - Wings on ice, MacDonald/Kronwall-Hudler/Filppula-Zetterberg-Holmström
Zetterberg/Filppula/Kronwall/Hudler total FAIL. Bad pass from Zetterberg forces falling Filppula to makem a bad pass to the point, where falling Kronwall tries to catch it throwing himself, puck bounces to MacKenzie and Hudler loses the skating race against him, MacKenzie gets a bad shot but it bounces in through MacDonald. Quite hilarious to watch that. Top1 all of these disasters.

Detroit @ Philadelphia 2-3
1-3 SHG - Maxime Talbot (Giroux) - Wings on ice, MacDonald/Kronwall-White/Filppula-Zetterberg-Holmström
Mistake maker - Ian White. White gets the puck to the point, tries to pass on the other side to Kronwall, but it goes straight to Giroux, break-away, White takes the wrong man (Giroux), because Kronwall is catching him, and free Talbot scores from the rebound.


Interesting stat: 8 shorties on road, only 1 at home. Hudler was a contributor only in two shorties. When all the defencemen are healthy, he's gone from the point. We have 5 choices there Lidström/White/Kronwall/Quincey/Smith even Kindl.

[Fryer]

Originally Posted by Heaton

Do you really want to use a game where Datsyuk, Bertuzzi, Eaves, Ericsson, Kindl, Howard etc... were also out an indicator of that?

Well, I am a rabid pessimist consumed by many fears. The dead wings years are still in vivid color in my memory

[TheOtherOne]

Originally Posted by Henkka

Detroit @ Columbus 1-4...

Damn, I would have guessed at least 5 or 6 were on Hudler. Guess I overestimated his contributions.

It would still be interesting to see how many odd man rushes were given up with Hudler on the point, but I'm sure that stat would be a lot harder to track down.

[silkyjohnson50]

Originally Posted by Fryer

Well, I am a rabid pessimist consumed by many fears. The dead wings years are still in vivid color in my memory

Something tells me that you'll fit in just fine here.

[14ari13]

Originally Posted by Bench

Agreed there's plenty of room for improvement.

But it's also hard to be too critical in these games when you're missing Datsyuk and Lidstrom. Those guys make up 40% of the top PP unit and are undeniably the most important parts.

Still, the PP has been up and down all year. The only solace I take is that Boston had a terrible PP last year in the playoffs.

I think that the problem is we gave up 9 SH goals which is tied for 3rd in the league.

[Bench]

Originally Posted by 14ari13

I think that the problem is we gave up 9 SH goals which is tied for 3rd in the league.

That certainly doesn't help!