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03-06-2012, 04:18 PM
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This is all so clearly ridiculous as Gomer's Corsi and various other puck possession stats clearly indicate that he will return to being a 60 point producer once his shooting percentage and his on ice save percentage regress to the mean.

His "bad luck" must end at some point.

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Timmins was on that same team, and apparently he was furious that he wasnt consulted despite having a prospect being sent the other way. How can we know that Bob talked to Gauthier? Spin it how you want, the GM makes the final call...under owner approval of course.

Maybe Gainey's plan was to take a dive that season, but the owner/president wouldn't allow it because it was the centennial and what not.
bingo...

do you recall hearing anything about Gauthier being "furious" for not being consulted despite a very expensive pro player coming our way?

Timmins let his frustration over that decision come out, either Gauthier was on board, or is too much of a coward to speak his mind... either way, doesn't reflect positively on him

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This is all so clearly ridiculous as Gomer's Corsi and various other puck possession stats clearly indicate that he will return to being a 60 point producer once his shooting percentage and his on ice save percentage regress to the mean.

His "bad luck" must end at some point.


i love it... i miss reading those "objective fact" rationalizations from last year...

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bingo...

do you recall hearing anything about Gauthier being "furious" for not being consulted despite a very expensive pro player coming our way?

Timmins let his frustration over that decision come out, either Gauthier was on board, or is too much of a coward to speak his mind... either way, doesn't reflect positively on him
What does "speaking your mind" in public going to accimplish other than piss off your boss?

How many of you at your little day job will go to the papers to complain about your boss's decisions? Where did you read taht Timmins publically said he was against the trade when it happened?

Seriously, sometime I question what planet some posters on here are living on.

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03-06-2012, 04:27 PM
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Sending Gomez to the AHL is much more of an owners decision than a GM one. Of course Gauthier would want to ship him to Hamilton. The hard part is convincing his employer to spit on $10M.

Molson is probably a good businesman. Good businesmen do NOT waste $10M on sweet phoque all.
He's wasting more money by keeping Gomez in Montreal. The fans don't want him anymore.

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bingo...

do you recall hearing anything about Gauthier being "furious" for not being consulted despite a very expensive pro player coming our way?

Timmins let his frustration over that decision come out, either Gauthier was on board, or is too much of a coward to speak his mind... either way, doesn't reflect positively on him
Actually to play your game, Timmins was able to voice his opinion at the draft, where he use to do pre draft interviewers with the media (no longer under PG), where as PG never had any interviews as Pro Scout/Ast GM.

When he became GM he was asked if he was behind any of the moves, and he simply said that it was Bob's say in all the moves all the moves.

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This is all so clearly ridiculous as Gomer's Corsi and various other puck possession stats clearly indicate that he will return to being a 60 point producer once his shooting percentage and his on ice save percentage regress to the mean.

His "bad luck" must end at some point.
Not sure if serious...

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If this is true then then habs can send him to the minors without remorse. Seeing how we offered him a chance to stay in this league.


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03-06-2012, 05:13 PM
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Dave Stubbs asked Gomez about it

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As for #Habs Gomez killing a trade to Islanders, as per a media report? Gomez tells me "I never heard of any deal"
What do you want Gomez to say? Ya,I refused to go to the Islanders? He would be villafied and treated even worse than he is now by us fans. I believe their is some substance to this story.

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03-06-2012, 05:16 PM
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Dave Stubbs asked Gomez about it

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As for #Habs Gomez killing a trade to Islanders, as per a media report? Gomez tells me "I never heard of any deal"
He would not admit it anyway, like if he said : Yes I did vote against the trade, I am happy and wanted here !

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What do you want Gomez to say? Ya,I refused to go to the Islanders? He would be villafied and treated even worse than he is now by us fans. I believe their is some substance to this story.
I think its a rehash of the trade of a year ago. This all started with the other locked thread that was a rehash of that trade a year ago.

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03-06-2012, 05:26 PM
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Its a moot point now anyway.He is gone at years end. We should be grateful. playing him has allowed us to finally get a lottery pick! HOORAY

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QMI. Enough said.

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He's wasting more money by keeping Gomez in Montreal. The fans don't want him anymore.
They don't, but they are not significantly changing their ways. The Habs do not want Kaberle but Molson isn't losing money over it.

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03-06-2012, 05:49 PM
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Who was head of pro scouting during the year Gomez was acquired? Who lived in the NYC area during that period.

Gauthier.
Do you really think Gainey never saw Gomez play.

If you are on a witch hunt, fine... but at least try be credible.

Gauthier has made some horrible moves. This one was Gainey's. He saw Gomez and miscalculated. No sane GM would make a trade with that much money and that many prospects included without doing his own due diligence.

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03-06-2012, 05:56 PM
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Gauthier sucks. He should have put a gun to Gomez's head to make him go to New York.
#FireGAUTHIER

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03-06-2012, 06:00 PM
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Gauthier sucks. He should have put a gun to Gomez's head to make him go to New York.
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Pfft, he'd still be a cowardly vegan.

He should have killed Gomez. With his bare hands. If your GM can't commit to watching the life go out in his victims eyes as he strangles them, how can you trust him to make a trade?

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03-06-2012, 06:20 PM
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Dave Stubbs asked Gomez about it

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As for #Habs Gomez killing a trade to Islanders, as per a media report? Gomez tells me I never heard of a deal"
That's because when Gauthier called him into the office to tell him he was traded, Gomez put his hands on his ears and began yelling, "La la la la la la la la." Something like this

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03-06-2012, 06:27 PM
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This is all so clearly ridiculous as Gomer's Corsi and various other puck possession stats clearly indicate that he will return to being a 60 point producer once his shooting percentage and his on ice save percentage regress to the mean.
I'm wasting my time, but hey, just for fun.

You know what's the funniest thing? His on-ice shooting percentage actually DID regress to the mean exactly as predicted. His on-ice save percentage actually cratered though (it was equal to Plekanec's last year) but under Martin, the Habs didn't score fewer goals 5-on-5 than they did with, say, Plekanec instead.

So why no 60 points? Well, the Corsi-based analysis failed to predict that he'd get hurt three times, that the PP would bomb, and that the coach would design a system that's explicitly designed to forego the greatest strength of his game (carrying the puck through the neutral zone), and use him as a winger before demoting him to the fourth line. And using him more on the PP (where he's never been great before) than at ES (which has always been his strength) in a dysfunctional system that's killing everyone's 5-on-5.

He is really not doing well under Cunneyworth. Now, all the Habs are hurting under RC, but Gomez has done especially poorly, part which should be laid at the feet of the player... but only part.

As for the story, I don't believe it for a second. For one thing I don't think the Habs intended to get rid of Gomez at all, unless they managed to sign Brad Richards. For another, Gomez can specify three teams he does not want to be traded to. I suppose the Islanders are dysfunctional enough that they could conceivably be on that list, but still...

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qmi. Enough said.

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This is all so clearly ridiculous as Gomer's Corsi and various other puck possession stats clearly indicate that he will return to being a 60 point producer once his shooting percentage and his on ice save percentage regress to the mean.

His "bad luck" must end at some point.
Math Man, is that you?

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Do you really think Gainey never saw Gomez play.

If you are on a witch hunt, fine... but at least try be credible.

Gauthier has made some horrible moves. This one was Gainey's. He saw Gomez and miscalculated. No sane GM would make a trade with that much money and that many prospects included without doing his own due diligence.
Gainey barely did any leg work on any moves. Gauthier did most of the work when it came to pro moves.

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"Scott, do you like the Islanders?"
"Not really, Pierre"
"Oh, okay"
"Wait, why?"
"No reason."

See, he could still have not heard of the deal. Definitely legit.

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03-06-2012, 06:43 PM
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What does "speaking your mind" in public going to accimplish other than piss off your boss?

How many of you at your little day job will go to the papers to complain about your boss's decisions? Where did you read taht Timmins publically said he was against the trade when it happened?

Seriously, sometime I question what planet some posters on here are living on.
it's not about "going public" directly... obviously neither timmins nor any guy wanting to keep his job is going to publicly call out his boss. Players sometimes get away with it, but staff is another situation all together.

Timmins let his frustrations be known in a way that eventually made it's way into the public domain... but look at that, still has a job.

You can express yourself, shrewdly, without coming into open conflict with your boss... it's called covering your own arse. Better than then let your boss make poor decisions that reflect badly on you & your role, and come across as a kowtowing "yes-man" or being guilty by association.


being a yes-man, working a job you hate for a boss you hate, and otherwise living life with your tail firmly tucked between your legs can keep you gainfully employed... some just find a way to make a living without sacrificing their self-respect.

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