Awful signining a week later and I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes an terrible signing a year later.
If Hemsky's worth 5 mil/yr, Jordan Eberle should be worth 10 mil/yr. That's just how ridiculous this signing is and for those of you who think it was a good move by the Oil, it's quite obvious that you've gotten used to seeing garbage on ice because no other fanbase or even GM around the league would look at Hemsky being worth 3.5 mil/yr with the season he's been having.
Please save that talk about another team in the league giving him the same or even more per season if he had become a UFA. Even Charles Wang and Garth Snow wouldn't bite on that one!
Last edited by TheSpecialist: 03-08-2012 at 12:59 AM.
Awful signining a week later and I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes an terrible signing a year later.
If Hemsky's worth 5 mil/yr, Jordan Eberle should be worth 10 mil/yr. That's just how ridiculous this signing is and for those of you who think it was a good move by the Oil, it's quite obvious that you've gotten used to seeing garbage on ice because no other fanbase or even GM around the league would look at Hemsky being worth 3.5 mil/yr with the season he's been having.
GTFOH with that another team in the league would have given him the same or even more per season if he became a UFA. I'm not buying it.
If you compare it to Leinos 4.5 untill 2017 it looks alright...
The single best thing about this signing is that it is a 2 year term. Thats why it can't be compared to Grabovski. Sure the Oilers overpaid, but they have the cap space now and this doesn't screw them up going forward.
There were four options with Hemmer: Trade him now for a late 1st or a 2nd round pick (i.e. for less then he is worth), let him walk for nothing, sign him for 4+ years, or sign him short term with a bit of an overpay. The Oilers chose the best option.
If you compare it to Leinos 4.5 untill 2017 it looks alright...
the problem with posts like this though is that the Hemsky fanboys are trying to justify his contract with other bad deals around the NHL, that should tell you something right there, not to mention that people are also trying to justify it by saying its a short term deal when the real issue with his contract is that the kids are outproducing him in their 1st and 2nd years in the league....what kind of deals do you think they are going to want when their ELCs are up, especially when they see the deal he got? Like i said in the other thread (and got ripped for it) and like TheSpecialist said too, they will be asking for a hell of a lot more than 5 per if they are still producing at or around a ppg pace (and according to some people, they get these retarded contracts based on past performance, i.e. Hemmer had 1 or 2 good years in the past, therefore he has the "potential" to do it again..yeah, good reasoning there)...the difference between the kids and Ales is that the kids WILL keep producing at the pace their on for many years whereas Hemmer is clearly nowhere near the player he used to be. And also, i suppose the same people that like this deal like Horc's contract too, since he has the potential to put up 70 pts again like he did the year he got the contract.
Awful signining a week later and I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes an terrible signing a year later.
If Hemsky's worth 5 mil/yr, Jordan Eberle should be worth 10 mil/yr. That's just how ridiculous this signing is and for those of you who think it was a good move by the Oil, it's quite obvious that you've gotten used to seeing garbage on ice because no other fanbase or even GM around the league would look at Hemsky being worth 3.5 mil/yr with the season he's been having.
Please save that talk about another team in the league giving him the same or even more per season if he had become a UFA. Even Charles Wang and Garth Snow wouldn't bite on that one!
U mad bro?
There's plenty of comparables around the league that show Hemsky would have fetched at least $5M and a longer term on the open market. If you think otherwise, feel free to show your work.
This is a good deal. If anything, it's a bargain because of the term.
the problem with posts like this though is that the Hemsky fanboys are trying to justify his contract with other bad deals around the NHL, that should tell you something right there, not to mention that people are also trying to justify it by saying its a short term deal when the real issue with his contract is that the kids are outproducing him in their 1st and 2nd years in the league....what kind of deals do you think they are going to want when their ELCs are up, especially when they see the deal he got?
They'll get what the market and their performance demands. If Eberle's production cools off and he settles in as a 50-60 point player, do you really think he'd be able to ask for more than $5M a year (or whatever the equivalent will be at that point) just because that's what Hemsky got? Get real.
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Like i said in the other thread (and got ripped for it) and like TheSpecialist said too, they will be asking for a hell of a lot more than 5 per if they are still producing at or around a ppg pace (and according to some people, they get these retarded contracts based on past performance, i.e. Hemmer had 1 or 2 good years in the past, therefore he has the "potential" to do it again..yeah, good reasoning there)
If they are still producing around a PPG, of course they'll ask for more because that's what those kinds of players get. Has nothing to do with Hemsky's deal, though.
There's plenty of comparables around the league that show Hemsky would have fetched at least $5M and a longer term on the open market. If you think otherwise, feel free to show your work.
This is a good deal. If anything, it's a bargain because of the term.
Agreed. I personally like the deal. Hemmer hasn't had a stellar season at all, but he is a good player, and was the best player by far on this team for many seasons. Fans are a fickle bunch and frustration grows when a player struggles to find their form. Some fans have been all over Hemsky and Whitney both this season and calling for Tambellini to give away both players for next to nothing, because they have had their struggles this season. I think one gets a better perspective from looking at Hemsky's overall body of work as a player to determine the kind of player that he is. He's been a 0.85 ppg player over the past six seasons. That's fairly good production, despite his injury history. This season hasn't been a terribly good one, but he's come off a string of shoulder injuries, so I'm willing to give him the benefit. Personally, I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense not to believe in a player who has consistently produced, when not injured. He seems healthy once again, which is good. Barring significant injury, I'm guessing that in two years, we will look back fondly on the Hemsky signing.
Is this a joke? Sorry if it is, but if you're serious....wow...
Maybe we should re-sign Tikannen. He was pretty good for us a ways back. Is Messier available??
It's about time Oiler fans quit over valuing guys that CURRENTLY do not deserve their accolades. Hemsky is on pace to score, what 8 goals this year?
Eberle is about to do at the age of 22 what Hemsky has NEVER done - score 80 points in a year.
I'm just glad Hemsky is only signed for 2 year so we dont have to watch this clown after that...
So your "argument" is Hemsky isnt as good as Eberle?
Better ship out Hall and RNH. I mean they are 1st overall picks getting blown out by some scrub taken 22nd overall. Wait, whats that its almost like If it was known Eberle was this good he would have taken way higher
Awful signining a week later and I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes an terrible signing a year later.
If Hemsky's worth 5 mil/yr, Jordan Eberle should be worth 10 mil/yr. That's just how ridiculous this signing is and for those of you who think it was a good move by the Oil, it's quite obvious that you've gotten used to seeing garbage on ice because no other fanbase or even GM around the league would look at Hemsky being worth 3.5 mil/yr with the season he's been having.
Please save that talk about another team in the league giving him the same or even more per season if he had become a UFA. Even Charles Wang and Garth Snow wouldn't bite on that one!
RFA and UFA are different not sure if you knew based on this post
So your "argument" is Hemsky isnt as good as Eberle?
Better ship out Hall and RNH. I mean they are 1st overall picks getting blown out by some scrub taken 22nd overall. Wait, whats that its almost like If it was known Eberle was this good he would have taken way higher
I get that you aren't a Hemsky fan, but I haven't seen you offer up one alternative? You would not make your team better by trading him for a prospect and pick, you wouldnt make your team better by losing him for nothing in free agency... I would rather have him for 2 years at market value than downgrade the 2nd line.
Okay, another topic, how do you thin RNH has developed the last week?
Renney has been doing a great job of nurturing him by not putting him positions to succeed. But the rumor is that he thinks RNH is ready for the huge responsibility of playing on the #1PP unit. Personally I think it may totally ruin his development.
If you compare it to Leinos 4.5 untill 2017 it looks alright...
No it's not. Leino was signed to a 4.5 M deal in the summer after he had a good season and had a good playoff performance recently and by a team looking to make a splash in the market.
Hemsky has been signed to 5.5 M when it was clear that he's not the same player as before (still a top six player but not this money). If Hemsky was given this contract after last season (he was near a ppg albeit for 40ish games) and during the summer then fine but why it was done mid season when his production wasn't even good this year is beyond me. You can say that he looks good in games, controls the puck, etc but pts and goals matter at the end of the day for top six forwards.
I'm gonna have to go with Grabovski at 5.5 M at 5 yrs (not that it's a good signing). Right now and probably the next two years at least, Grabovski is actually worth 5.5 M assuming the cap is where it's at or higher). It's true that Hemsky's is 2 yrs but he's not worth it for any of those years. People keep assuming he'll return to earlier form but it's an assumption, with Grabovski it was based on his play from last season+this one.
There's plenty of comparables around the league that show Hemsky would have fetched at least $5M and a longer term on the open market. If you think otherwise, feel free to show your work.
This is a good deal. If anything, it's a bargain because of the term.
Please show me these so called "plenty of comparables"...I'm just dying to see what you come up with.
Please show me these so called "plenty of comparables"...I'm just dying to see what you come up with.
Making no effort to cherry pick, here are a few "comparables": James Neal, Patrice Bergeron, Tomas Plekanec, Phil Kessel, Travis Zajac, Ryan Kesler, Martin Havlat, Brian Gionta, and David Krejci. I would certainly argue that Hemsky belongs in with this class of player. As I mentioned earlier, over the past 6 seasons Hemsky has average 0.85 ppg.
There's plenty of comparables around the league that show Hemsky would have fetched at least $5M and a longer term on the open market. If you think otherwise, feel free to show your work.
This is a good deal. If anything, it's a bargain because of the term.
Too bad we didn't let him reap the benefit of UFA...
Making no effort to cherry pick, here are a few "comparables": James Neal, Patrice Bergeron, Tomas Plekanec, Phil Kessel, Travis Zajac, Ryan Kesler, Martin Havlat, Brian Gionta, and David Krejci. I would certainly argue that Hemsky belongs in with this class of player. As I mentioned earlier, over the past 6 seasons Hemsky has average 0.85 ppg.
You mentioned all those players as "comparables" and in no way is Hemsky better then them. In other words, based on his play this season, he doesn't even belong in the list that you just mentioned. Havlat has been injured most the season so you can take him out. The same thing can be said about Gionta and he still has more goals then Hemsky in the 31 games that he has played this season.
By the way, where was he during tonight's game against Montreal? He was just as effective as Brian Gionta who wasn't even playing in tonight's game!
Last edited by TheSpecialist: 03-08-2012 at 11:22 PM.
Making no effort to cherry pick, here are a few "comparables": James Neal, Patrice Bergeron, Tomas Plekanec, Phil Kessel, Travis Zajac, Ryan Kesler, Martin Havlat, Brian Gionta, and David Krejci. I would certainly argue that Hemsky belongs in with this class of player. As I mentioned earlier, over the past 6 seasons Hemsky has average 0.85 ppg.
Just glanced at your list and saw Kessel and Kesler on it...thanks for giving me a chuckle tonite after this sheat game. You should really watch these players in game situations before including them in your argument.
There's plenty of comparables around the league that show Hemsky would have fetched at least $5M and a longer term on the open market. If you think otherwise, feel free to show your work.
This is a good deal. If anything, it's a bargain because of the term.
I guess it's a good deal...but...that doesn't mean it was a signing we had to make.
Next years' Oilers don't need 5MM worth of playmaking behind Eberle on the RW.
Plus the fact Hemmers' been weak all year and the deal is banking on him turning things around...which...even if he does...how much does this team REALLY benefit?
And if not? It could cripple the entire rebuild. Big time.
