Making no effort to cherry pick, here are a few "comparables": James Neal, Patrice Bergeron, Tomas Plekanec, Phil Kessel, Travis Zajac, Ryan Kesler, Martin Havlat, Brian Gionta, and David Krejci. I would certainly argue that Hemsky belongs in with this class of player. As I mentioned earlier, over the past 6 seasons Hemsky has average 0.85 ppg.
You mentioned all those players as "comparables" and in no way is Hemsky better then them. In other words, based on his play this season, he doesn't even belong in the list that you just mentioned. Havlat has been injured most the season so you can take him out. The same thing can be said about Gionta and he still has more goals then Hemsky in the 31 games that he has played this season.
By the way, where was he during tonight's game against Montreal? He was just as effective as Brian Gionta who wasn't even playing in tonight's game!
Derp.
He was good but his centerman wasn't...but keep your hate for Hemsky flowing. It's amusing and pathetic at the same time.
Yeah, I actually watched the game and that was clearly the case.
Hemmer has been (at best) our 2nd best right winger this year & thats not going to change from now until this contract is done. He's going to need to figure out how to battle. Way more.
I am very well aware Eberle becomes an RFA...I've only been following the Oilers for how long now?!? Probably as long as you were born.
My point is that this signing sets a very bad example for the young assets on this team. It shouldn't be that difficult to figure out really.
I thought the deal was good for the oilers, but he has set a precedent for the pay scale of the oilers. The kids will be asking for insane bundles of cash when their turn comes. Obviously being a RFA helps limit this though.
I doubt that tambi had much choice on this one though, he could have gambled with a mid to late first round pick for hemsky but I don't know if this team can afford to just keep getting picks at this point.
I regret this deal now. I was understanding because of how they dithered their way into a corner, but that's still no excuse. They should have taken the second rounder or whatever and just gotten rid of the stench once and for all.
Wow, all I did was conducted a quick search, by no means an exhaustive one and, as I mentioned, without cherry picking names. I found a list of players who make about the same amount of money as Hemsky, and I said that I thought that he belonged in with that class of players. From the list, you cherry pick one player to carry your argument.
There's no denying that Hemsky was easily the best player on this team for a number of years, and I like what I've seen overall from Hemsky as a player over the time that he has been with the Oilers. Over his time here, he has a great passion for the game, has a high level of compete, and he can be incredibly dynamic with a high degree of skill.
Hall, Eberle, and RNH likely all have better pedigree than Hemsky, I do not disagree, but that doesn't mean that Hemsky is not a useful player. Personally, I do not think that Hemsky has found top form since returning from his string of injuries last season. A healthy Hemsky is in the top 30 of scoring, so he's a useful player to have in that regard for a team to have. Traditionally, Hemsky is a player who competes well, and this team needs two scoring lines to be effective, and Hemsky easily falls into our top six on this team, and, playing well will challenge for first line minutes. In top form, he's going to push Eberle, and be pushed by Eberle, for top minutes.
As for the contract, it stands to reason that Hemsky should be entering his optimal years as a player, if he can stay healthy these next two seasons of his contract. I'm trying not to be myopic here and judge him on last season, where he was often playing injured, or this season where he has not played to the best of his abilities. Players coming off injuries typically take time to regain form (see, for example, Ryan Whitney, who also has become a whipping boy). Since the signing, Hemsky seems to be beginning to find his groove as a player. I think he'll get better and regain form as a player and will prove good value on his contract.
Overall, as I said, I am judging his play based on the past 6-7 seasons, and I think that the decision to sign him, rather than trade him with low market value is a wise one. We will see how this pans out over the next two seasons.
Nonsense. 42 points in 47 games, 3rd in league in EV/60, and voted to the all-star game.
Part of his struggles this year were being tentative early on due to his shoulder injury. The other part is RNH taking some PP opportunities on the 1st unit away from Hemsky.
He was good but his centerman wasn't...but keep your hate for Hemsky flowing. It's amusing and pathetic at the same time.
You're kidding me right?!? I'm not so sure what game you were watching tonight but I saw the one in which Hemsky showed very little to no compete in his game whatsoever. If anything, he looked like he was just going through the motions all game long. And that's just not good enough for a vet like him in my opinion.
What I find even more amusing is how far some of you go to defend this guy when the facts are right in front of you. He has a very long way to go to justify his worth.
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I regret this deal now. I was understanding because of how they dithered their way into a corner, but that's still no excuse. They should have taken the second rounder or whatever and just gotten rid of the stench once and for all.
Oh, sorry this is the Hemsky thread; I think you're looking to post this in the Gagner thread.
I thought the deal was good for the oilers, but he has set a precedent for the pay scale of the oilers. The kids will be asking for insane bundles of cash when their turn comes. Obviously being a RFA helps limit this though.
I doubt that tambi had much choice on this one though, he could have gambled with a mid to late first round pick for hemsky but I don't know if this team can afford to just keep getting picks at this point.
Exactly, it sets a precedent and it makes our salary structure a** backwards, we now have our 3C and 2RW getting paid 1st line money, cant wait for the kids next contracts, should be fun to listen to the bi***ing and moaning about how we wont be able to afford all of them (because of contracts like these two)...dont say i didnt warn everybody on here. The only thing that can possibly save us now is if the new CBA changes the way 2nd contracts are structured and limits it like they did with the ELC's.
You're kidding me right?!? I'm not so sure what game you were watching tonight but I saw the one in which Hemsky showed very little to no compete in his game whatsoever. If anything, he looked like he was just going through the motions all game long. And that's just not good enough for a vet like him in my opinion.
What I find even more amusing is how far some of you go to defend this guy when the facts are right in front of you. He has a very long way to go to justify his worth in my opinion.
Haha listen. What do you think Hemsky can do? Do you expect him to take over a game Malkin-style? Hemsky is a playmaker but Gagner was awful and didn't do anything for either Omark or Hemsky. Hemsky and RNH are amazing together but then Eberle would get stuck with Samwise Gamgee and we know how well that went before. If Eberle gets stuck with Gagner and doesn't produce no one dares say anything but if Hemsky gets stuck with Gagner and isn't dominant, people start *****ing.
Exactly, it sets a precedent and it makes our salary structure a** backwards, we now have our 3C and 2RW getting paid 1st line money, cant wait for the kids next contracts, should be fun to listen to the bi***ing and moaning about how we wont be able to afford all of them (because of contracts like these two)...dont say i didnt warn everybody on here. The only thing that can possibly save us now is if the new CBA changes the way 2nd contracts are structured and limits it like they did with the ELC's.
Hemsky's deal doesn't set a precedence for anything. You think the kids are going to sign a deal worth 10M total? Heck I'd do that but my guess is they'll all get a deal worth 5-6M over 4-5 years which will give the team time to compete and be able to build a contender for consecutive years, and give them a very lucrative contract just starting out in the league. After there next contract is when we might see them go for 7M per if they can earn it. But that will have nothing to do with Hemsky.
Exactly, it sets a precedent and it makes our salary structure a** backwards, we now have our 3C and 2RW getting paid 1st line money, cant wait for the kids next contracts, should be fun to listen to the bi***ing and moaning about how we wont be able to afford all of them (because of contracts like these two)...dont say i didnt warn everybody on here. The only thing that can possibly save us now is if the new CBA changes the way 2nd contracts are structured and limits it like they did with the ELC's.
What precedent?
First of all, the kids will be RFA's while Hemsky was an UFA and it's only a 2 year deal, the kids will be getting long term deals.
The Hemsky deal has no bearing on the kids deals.
Also, people need to lay off Hemsky. I was frustrated with him earlier in the season as well but it's not his fault that Renney doesn't know how to properly utilize him.
Like i mentioned in the GDT many times, play him with Hall and he'll be fine, play him with Omark or Smyth and he'll struggle.
They finally find a guy that clicks with Hemsky in Hall and then break them up then miraculously another guy clicks with Hemsky in Paajarvi and he gets demoted to the AHL club, it makes no sense.
Provided that he's healthy I'd like to see Hemsky go to the World Championship this Spring.
I honestly wouldn't. I want to watch players who compete hard and have had some success this year. I don't want to see him get a chance to find his game on a national team. seems like it's giving him a reward for sucking.
Or is it that you want him to play so canada gets a better chance?
You mentioned all those players as "comparables" and in no way is Hemsky better then them. In other words, based on his play this season, he doesn't even belong in the list that you just mentioned.
You know these deals are based on more than your myopic short-term view, right?
I mean, based on your logic, they should extend Eberle to a long term, $8 million dollar a year contract because that's what he's worth this season, right?
I guess it's a good deal...but...that doesn't mean it was a signing we had to make.
It was make the deal or lose him for nothing.
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Next years' Oilers don't need 5MM worth of playmaking behind Eberle on the RW.
I disagree. I don't think the Oilers are in a position where they can afford to give up any legit NHLers.
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Plus the fact Hemmers' been weak all year and the deal is banking on him turning things around...which...even if he does...how much does this team REALLY benefit?
I think the benefit of having Hemsky return to form as a tough minutes outscorer would be pretty obvious. More points, more cover for the kids etc.
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And if not? It could cripple the entire rebuild. Big time.
Huh? How? It's a two year deal. He performs, he helps move the team forward in that time. he flops, well, two years is gone faster than you think.
I disagree. I don't think the Oilers are in a position where they can afford to give up any legit NHLers.
I think the benefit of having Hemsky return to form as a tough minutes outscorer would be pretty obvious. More points, more cover for the kids etc.
Huh? How? It's a two year deal. He performs, he helps move the team forward in that time. he flops, well, two years is gone faster than you think.
Bottom line is...bad management makes for a bad team.
It looks to me like we have sufficient scoring...even without Hemmer contributing.
So, what do we need to pay him for again? Why not cut bait and utilize the cap space to improve the 'D'? Tambo tried nickel & diming some tangible improvements by adding Barker last summer. It never had a hope in hell of working. This team needs a proven top 4 defenceman. An all-star. Sooner rather than later.
Bottom line is...bad management makes for a bad team.
There's lots to be critical of, sure. I don't think this is one of those things.
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It looks to me like we have sufficient scoring...even without Hemmer contributing.
They're 24th in 5x5 goals scored.
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So, what do we need to pay him for again? Why not cut bait and utilize the cap space to improve the 'D'? Tambo tried nickel & diming some tangible improvements by adding Barker last summer. It never had a hope in hell of working. This team needs a proven top 4 defenceman. An all-star. Sooner rather than later.
First: even with Hemsky, they have the cap space to bring in a top 4 D. But there's also the bird in the hand principle: if you lose Hemsky and can't get the All Star D you need (who aren't exactly beating down the doors), you're left with two holes to fill.
Derp.
