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03-06-2012, 11:39 PM
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I'm sure that's part of it.

But we ALL felt at one point or another that Sauve could be a contributor. Khudobin is NHL level talent. Arniel looks like he could be a decent bottom-6 center. Ditto with Cunningham. Lane MacDermid as a fourth line, 13th forward fighter, grinder. Ok. Not great. But SOMETHING.

Caron started his professional career looking REALLY promising in Boston. He slowed down a bit and went to Pro. Another year and a half later, he's finally getting his game into promising shape - only after an extended stint back with Julien and Boston. He wasn't even improving by any great strides or putting up good numbers against lesser competition. You'd think if he was the player with the highest potential down there, that he'd look head and shoulders better than his teammates. I don't believe he did.

There's something rotten down there. I'm afraid of Spoons, Knight and Koko maybe getting groomed (ruined) by having to play on that club.
Same goes for Hamill. I think if he was on a different team he would have been a full time NHL,er already, with the Bruins, he might never make it

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Krejci is a beast

I tell ya what guys, Horton needs to rest no doubt - but if Peverley comes back A-OK, and we get our other banged up soldiers back and can stay relatively healthy and Thomas can pick it up a bit and find his groove (i know, a lot of ifs and ands) this team will be looking to make some serious damage in the playoffs

Lucic - Krejci -Seguin
Marchand - Bergeron - Peverley
Caron - Kelly - Rolston/Poo
Paille - Campbell - Thorty
MacDermid

I give Dermy the nod as the 13th because he's very fast, plays a controlled game, and hits left n right - o and he can fight. We don't need more scoring with that lineup, we need guys that can keep the energy going

Chara - Seidenberg
Corvo - Ference
Boychuck - Mcquaid
Zanon, Mottau

Not sure how the D-pairing will shake out but I'd imagine Claude will either switch right to Chara and Seids, or go with Chara - Boychuk until it seems to not work.

Thomas...just find your groove and stay sharp...keep your eye on the prize until the final buzzer...

I agree that the Bruins will do well if healthy.

There are only 2 points that I would change from your line-up.

Up forward I would not use MacDermid before Pouliot. MacDermid might be a candidate for the Black Aces.

If Pouliot is the #13 that is a very good team. It's more likely he wil be competing with Caron for a spot on the third line. Caron/Pouliot - Kelly - Roston will be a very good third line for the playoffs.

On defense I'm hoping that Zanon replaces Corvo in the top 6.

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I'm sure that's part of it.

But we ALL felt at one point or another that Sauve could be a contributor. Khudobin is NHL level talent. Arniel looks like he could be a decent bottom-6 center. Ditto with Cunningham. Lane MacDermid as a fourth line, 13th forward fighter, grinder. Ok. Not great. But SOMETHING.

Caron started his professional career looking REALLY promising in Boston. He slowed down a bit and went to Pro. Another year and a half later, he's finally getting his game into promising shape - only after an extended stint back with Julien and Boston. He wasn't even improving by any great strides or putting up good numbers against lesser competition. You'd think if he was the player with the highest potential down there, that he'd look head and shoulders better than his teammates. I don't believe he did.

There's something rotten down there. I'm afraid of Spoons, Knight and Koko maybe getting groomed (ruined) by having to play on that club.
See, I don't think this is entirely correct. The guys that are coming up, are coming up as band-aids. They are place-fillers coming into a high-pressure environment and a tightly regimented defense-first system. They are instructed to keep it simple. There was a lot of whining when Boychuk came up, same with McQuaid. Same with Marchand. Hamill just doesn't fit - but he has shown flashes; may work out somewhere else. Now it's Caron. The turnaround time has been pretty consistent - something around 20-odd games. I am very certain that if Arniel or Sauve were called up, they would be fully capable of playing a safe, defensively responsible game, right off the bat. It may be another 20-odd consistent games before you see who they are as a player.

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I agree that Thomas has not played well.

However, I think I know what part of the problem is:
His main weakness is that he does not do well on shots through screens or when deflections are involved. That is because he often comes out so far that he does not have time to readjust his stance. This was very evident against the Rangers when there were a few weird goals due to deflections and screens.

This is also why I totally dont get why you guys got Zanon. He is a shot blocking machine. Great at it , but not the kind of D you want. You want D who will let Thomas see the shot.

I think the coaching staff need to communicate this to the defense...just let Thomas see the shot!

Girardi recently pointed out how if Hasek played for the Rangers this season, he would suck because (like Thomas) Hasek wanted to see the shot (but Rangers D try to block it). Lundqvist on the other hand is fine with some deflections since he stays back in the net usually.

Do you guys agree/disagree?

Yes. I agree and disagree. As a goalie, or former goalie, or whatever, I would actually come farther out when there was a risk of a screen or deflection so that it wouldn't have time to get tipped and change direction as much by the time it hit me. Being farther back in the net meant I would more likely have to readjust significantly to a tip or deflection.

The point you make, though, is also valid. Being farther back does give you more time to readjust, yes. Also, on shots that are off target, or off to the side a bit, it is easier to track if back in the net.

I think it's a matter of preference and what your strengths as a goalie are.

So, overall, that added nothing definitive to the conversation. Hah. Goodnight.

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Armstrong was real leaky after that fight. Seids can throw.
I didn't catch if Armstrong returned, but I was thinking that the multiple punches to the back of his head may have caused some serious damage. Just imagine if he had went with McQuaid...

Unrelated, Caron looked really good all night, hopefully he keeps progressing.

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Krejci took him out on the end boards. Looked like a shoulder injury.

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Tonight he looked calm and in a groove. His positional play was good. His second goal was all positioning. He battled for the puck well and was quite engaged in several one on one battles. Obviously, his best game as a Bruin. I remain bullish on his development and prospects for success.
I honestly think a huge part of it is he has Kelly-a sound, defensive center who plays smart hockey back on his line vs an AHL call up center. Say whay you will, but I think a key for player development and making that jump from AHL to NHL is having a strong, quality teammate on their line.

Also, I will say again-I never thought Caron was awful or stunk, I just don't think he had hit his stride yet and was struggling. One reason I always thought he would be a trading piece is because he has potential. I mostly see Caron's NHL future as being more of a 3rd line checking role and PKer and that's fine. League needs those guys as much as they need the Crosby and Stamkos types.

He is definitely biulding some confidence.

I also think there is something rotten in Providence. I know they changed coaches over last summer and maybe they havent' been able to totally clean things up, but Providence seems to be a little broken when it comes to developing players for the NHL game.

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Scott- I am with you 100% on the Providence is a black hole theory. Initially i didn't put much stock into ti when J Colbourne has a few remarks on the way out of town, but this year especially, established effective AHLers have become little more than cannon fodder. Providence is where you send 30 goal scorers to turn them into 10 goal scorers. The thing that concerns me, like you, is that Knight and Spooner could very well both get sustained exposure to this NEXT season. Chiarelli is the GM of the Providence Bruins, and while i am not sure of the ownership situation, as GM, i am calling on him to make HUGE sweeping changes to the front office and executive down there the day after the Bruins repeat as Stanley Cup Champions(or are eliminated from the playoffs).

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where's the Caron's appreciation thread? lol

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Chiarelli is the GM of the Providence Bruins, and while i am not sure of the ownership situation, as GM, i am calling on him to make HUGE sweeping changes to the front office and executive down there the day after the Bruins repeat as Stanley Cup Champions(or are eliminated from the playoffs).
I do not recall but is the new coach in Providence from within the Providence system or did they hire from somewhere outside?

I am not sure exactly who should and shouldn't be fired there, but I agree pretty much that they need to do some serious reworking of the program down there. I don't think it helps the Big Bruins if their main AHL feeder team is struggling to prepare their players for the NHL.

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where's the Caron's appreciation thread? lol
I think it might be this one. His name is in the title and everything

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The lack of a decent PP is such a huge momentum killer. I don't know how the coaching staff can watch Corvo-Seidenberg fail so hard night after night and not make any changes. Corvo has the perfect PP skill set, but he's dumb as a brick. Seidenberg simply doesn't have quick enough hands or feet to deal with pressure at the point. Chara has a positive impact with lead feet and clumsy hands because he has the hardest shot in the game. Seidenberg doesn't have that in his arsenal.

I still think Julien has to scratch the concept of two balance units and put together one group consisting of the five best offensive players. Chara and Bergeron on the point with Krejci, Lucic, and Seguin up front. Give them the first 1:30 of every PP and see what comes of it.

Caron looks so much more confident. This is the perfect opportunity for him to gain playing time and momentum.
I've been saying this for a while. I understand the problem for Julien though. I think on most teams that load up one PP, those players don't also kill penalties. Seems Julien has always had this risk-averse mentality. So he goes with balance through and through. You'll even see in the tail end of the PP, guys like Campbell, Kelly, Paille, even Thornton get a shift. I for one HATE seeing that.

Load up Chara-Bergeron-Krejci-Lucic-Seguin for 90 seconds+ (like you said). Then you can have Marchand-Pouliot-Caron/Kelly-Seidenberg/Ference-Boychuk/Corvo do mop up duty for 30 odd seconds.

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and Rolston is so awful, I never liked him as a player, even in his good years, he relied on fast skating and a booming shot, that wasn't all too accurate and he always lacked hockey IQ...Now he hasn't got either - butchered a great scoring opportunity yesterday too.

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One thought came to me from watching that game just now.

When Milan Lucic has to go out of a pay parking garage, does he have trouble getting his ticket into the machine?

He'd have had trouble hitting a barn door last night.

Hopefully that means he slots em in the next few games

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Krejci took him out on the end boards. Looked like a shoulder injury.
Another massive hit from KREJCI KRUNCH

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I do not recall but is the new coach in Providence from within the Providence system or did they hire from somewhere outside?

I am not sure exactly who should and shouldn't be fired there, but I agree pretty much that they need to do some serious reworking of the program down there. I don't think it helps the Big Bruins if their main AHL feeder team is struggling to prepare their players for the NHL.



I think it might be this one. His name is in the title and everything

You can read full biographies for Coach Cassidy and Assistant Coach Kevin Dean here:

http://www.providencebruins.com/Team/CoachingStaff

Brief summaries:

Head Coach - Bruce Cassidy is in his fourth season with the Providence Bruins and entering his first as the team's head coach. Known to many as "Butch", the 46-year-old Cassidy has 15 years of career coaching experience, highlighted by a stint as head coach of the National Hockey League's Washington Capitals from 2002-04. Cassidy's coaching resume is a lengthy one, having served as a head or assistant coach at a variety of levels from the NHL to the Ontario Hockey League.

Assistant Coach - Kevin Dean is in his first season as the assistant coach of the Providence Bruins, after spending five years as a member of the New Jersey Devils organization's coaching staff. The 42-year-old Dean has five years coaching experience, including four seasons as an assistant coach of the Lowell Devils (AHL) and one year as head coach of the Trenton Devils (ECHL). Before he took a position behind the bench, Dean played 12 years professionally, highlighted by winning both the Calder Cup and Stanley Cup during the 1995 season.

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and Rolston is so awful, I never liked him as a player, even in his good years, he relied on fast skating and a booming shot, that wasn't all too accurate and he always lacked hockey IQ...Now he hasn't got either - butchered a great scoring opportunity yesterday too.
I`m sorry, were watching different Rolston`s. I am hardly able to sit here and say the guy has been a breath of fresh air, has played inspirational but what do some fans expect.

He was hardly aquired with the idea that the clocks would be switched back, he was aquired for a vet presence who could allow the lines to settle just a touch with all the injuries. This has allowed Kelly to return to exactly where he belongs and is most effective on the 3rd line, it`s allowed Poo as well to stay there and ironically that 3rd line has been one of the hardest working, keep it simple lines of the 4 this team is putting on the ice nightly and why.......cuz a guy like Rolston is in the lineup allowing CJ to slide players back to where they belong.

He isn`t contributing anything offensively, anyone here who anticipated he would were fooling themselves to begin with IMO. And if you`d like to talk butchered , our boy Looch had a few more chances than Rolston to really put that game away and didn`t.

The B`s secured 2 pts with 4 regulars out to begin, a 5th as the game went on , a still new D-man in Zanon learning and acclimating himself (very well I may add) and a clearly exhausted Timmy between the pipes.

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I`m sorry, were watching different Rolston`s. I am hardly able to sit here and say the guy has been a breath of fresh air, has played inspirational but what do some fans expect.

He was hardly aquired with the idea that the clocks would be switched back, he was aquired for a vet presence who could allow the lines to settle just a touch with all the injuries. This has allowed Kelly to return to exactly where he belongs and is most effective on the 3rd line, it`s allowed Poo as well to stay there and ironically that 3rd line has been one of the hardest working, keep it simple lines of the 4 this team is putting on the ice nightly and why.......cuz a guy like Rolston is in the lineup allowing CJ to slide players back to where they belong.

He isn`t contributing anything offensively, anyone here who anticipated he would were fooling themselves to begin with IMO. And if you`d like to talk butchered , our boy Looch had a few more chances than Rolston to really put that game away and didn`t.

The B`s secured 2 pts with 4 regulars out to begin, a 5th as the game went on , a still new D-man in Zanon learning and acclimating himself (very well I may add) and a clearly exhausted Timmy between the pipes.
Rolston doesn't belong on the 2nd line. Honestly, our 2nd line doesn't have a lot of " pop " and they are not generating a lot of scoring chances. We can't win with one scoring line. I think they should try Caron with Marchand and Bergeron. Claude have nothing to lose at this point.

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Rolston doesn't belong on the 2nd line. Honestly, our 2nd line doesn't have a lot of " pop " and they are not generating a lot of scoring chances. We can't win with one scoring line. I think they should try Caron with Marchand and Bergeron. Claude have nothing to lose at this point.
I agree that he doesn`t belong there but this team doesn`t have many luxuries with personel right now, but I`d say, if this lineup was healthy, he`d be a 13th forward, nor do I believe that Poo belongs there either IMO. I have opined that THE reason Rolly is on that line is that CJ likes the luxury of having 2 centerman out there in many situations in the case one gets tossed.

Let`s be honest, even with Segs on it, that line was no different than any of the other 4, producing inconsistently. I just don`t have an issue with Rolston being on it, and that`s not because I think the guy is a sparkplug of any way, I would rather a guy like Poo play 3rd line minutes against opponents less talented lines, not the guy I want out on the ice against other teams best lines which Bergy`s line usually is.

It`s just a non issue for me I guess, and CJ has shown he`ll try different things, and he`ll reward players when they earned it, JC may have just done that???

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i'll tell you what. jordan caron may save the bruins season. sounds like an overstatement but if he plays with the confidence of the last two games and peverley returns from injuries the lineup is still a slight step down without horton but it doesnt look nearly as bad.

Lucic Krejci Seguin
Marchand Bergeron Peverley
Caron Kelly Pouliot
Paille Campbell Thornton
Rolston.

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I was shocked that Seids was able to do what he did against Armstrong to be honest, not that he`s some small boy (Seids) but it`s not his game. Good on him

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Nice to see Caron get it going,he has the tools confidence is a wonderful thing.

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I must say, Phaneuf sucks. As the Leafs captain, he does not lead by example.

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