Why don't some of you "RATIONAL" fans just be honest with yourselves and the rest of us "STUPID" fans that you absolutely "HATE" and admit that it doesn't matter who the GM of this franchise is, or the coach, or the players, or even the owners. If they don't do things the way you want them done then they have a very limited time to impress you or you're going to start calling for their heads.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If it wasn't for the fact that I think Burke is the right person to be GM of this team, I'd actually like to see all you experts get your wish and see him fired only to start the entire process all over again so that in 4 years all you "RATIONAL" fans can start complaining all over again about how (insert GM's name here) should have tanked for 3 years, drafted this guy over that guy, hired this coach over that coach, played this prospect over this UFA, signed this UFA to a contract, gave too much money to that RFA and should have offer sheeted every young star in the league no matter how much the other GM's would have matched him anyway.
The truth of the matter is you'll never be happy unless the GM follows you're plan to a tee in building a contender. I'm willing to bet if I had the time to go back over some of your posting history all the way back to the Quinn days, there would be negativity in all of your posts.
Don't you get tired of being bitter? It must really suck in your world.
What a stupid post.
We're unhappy because the ****ing team hasn't made the playoffs in 7 ****ing years.
We have th highest paid GM, scouting, front office, and can spend to the ceiling... Yet we have a ****** team on the ice and pathetically mediocre prospect depth, given our situation the past 4 years.
That's why we're ****ing mad.
The question should be... Why the **** aren't you mad? WHY???
Why don't some of you "RATIONAL" fans just be honest with yourselves and the rest of us "STUPID" fans that you absolutely "HATE" and admit that it doesn't matter who the GM of this franchise is, or the coach, or the players, or even the owners. If they don't do things the way you want them done then they have a very limited time to impress you or you're going to start calling for their heads.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If it wasn't for the fact that I think Burke is the right person to be GM of this team, I'd actually like to see all you experts get your wish and see him fired only to start the entire process all over again so that in 4 years all you "RATIONAL" fans can start complaining all over again about how (insert GM's name here) should have tanked for 3 years, drafted this guy over that guy, hired this coach over that coach, played this prospect over this UFA, signed this UFA to a contract, gave too much money to that RFA and should have offer sheeted every young star in the league no matter how much the other GM's would have matched him anyway.
The truth of the matter is you'll never be happy unless the GM follows you're plan to a tee in building a contender. I'm willing to bet if I had the time to go back over some of your posting history all the way back to the Quinn days, there would be negativity in all of your posts.
Don't you get tired of being bitter? It must really suck in your world.
Don't you ever get tired of losing with no end in sight ?
All you seem to do is attack every poster that's critical of Burke . You offer no reason why you think this team is headed for better days outside of your belief that Burke can somehow build a winner .
Burke took over the 7th worst team and now here we are in his 4th year as GM and we're still the 7th worst team . We've done nothing but lose but for some reason you think we're on the brink of greatness .
What you should do is go back to the start of his retool and read how yourself and others believed Burke could build a cup contender in under 5 years and flamed everyone who said it couldn't be done .
We're unhappy because the ****ing team hasn't made the playoffs in 7 ****ing years.
We have th highest paid GM, scouting, front office, and can spend to the ceiling... Yet we have a ****** team on the ice and pathetically mediocre prospect depth, given our situation the past 4 years.
That's why we're ****ing mad.
The question should be... Why the **** aren't you mad? WHY???
Because I grew up and learned how to have some patience knowing things might have gotten worse before they got better thanks in large part to the previous management teams. The fact that ownership has recognized the need for this franchise to become respectable and is willing to spend extra money on proven personnel to get the job done gives me hope and I'm willing to actually give them some time instead of screaming like a child because things aren't working out the way I had expected.
However, at this rate, it will be another few more seasons until we see a playoff contender. Can't see this team having a whole lot of success without a #1 centre, another top line dman, competent #1 goaltender, etc. Hopefully we draft and develop players who will fill some of those holes.
Do you honestly believe we'll be able to achieve any of those objectives in Burkes remaining two years? No.
Two choices for Burke in all three areas: Overpay a UFA or overpay in a trade.
He had no issue overpaying for Kessel (he could have lottery protected the 1st) so it's time he actually continues his accelerated rebuild model and begins overpaying (hopefully through trade) for the other more critical pieces.
Do you honestly believe we'll be able to achieve any of those objectives in Burkes remaining two years? No.
Two choices for Burke in all three areas: Overpay a UFA or overpay in a trade.
He had no issue overpaying for Kessel (he could have lottery protected the 1st) so it's time he actually continues his accelerated rebuild model and begins overpaying (hopefully through trade) for the other more critical pieces.
Will be interesting to see what he does in the next 2 years of his contract. I hope Burke fills at least one of those voids this offseason.
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Originally Posted by SprDaVE
He does deserve some heat for some moves blowing up in his face...
...but I think he needs one or two more years to really see how some of the young players pay off.
Because I grew up and learned how to have some patience knowing things might have gotten worse before they got better thanks in large part to the previous management teams. The fact that ownership has recognized the need for this franchise to become respectable and is willing to spend extra money on proven personnel to get the job done gives me hope and I'm willing to actually give them some time instead of screaming like a child because things aren't working out the way I had expected.
That's why I'm not mad.
Things might have gotten worse?
How do you get much ****ing worse than 2nd ****ing last? Especially without YOUR FIRST ROUND ****ING PICK?
I agree with you about ownership. They are doing anything it takes to try and win. This pathetic disgrace of a team falls entirely on burkes shoulders.
We still dont have elite prospects, still aren't a competitive team. WHAT MORE CAN THIS ****ING MAN DO TO **** THIS TEAM UP?
As people have said, let him finish his contract and then let's judge him. He has created a depth to this team we have not seen in a very long time; as the youngest team in the league we owe it to Burke to let them mature for another season and see what comes.
Things might have gotten worse?
How do you get much ****ing worse than 2nd ****ing last? Especially without YOUR FIRST ROUND ****ING PICK?
I agree with you about ownership. They are doing anything it takes to try and win. This pathetic disgrace of a team falls entirely on burkes shoulders.
We still dont have elite prospects, still aren't a competitive team. WHAT MORE CAN THIS ****ING MAN DO TO **** THIS TEAM UP?
Your posts are becoming incoherent due to all the *****'s. Have another coffee. That should calm you down.
Will be interesting to see what he does in the next 2 years of his contract. I hope Burke fills at least one of those voids this offseason..
He needs to be aggressive. I'm sure many of us would be fine with overpaying using either method, if the player(s) brought in fix the holes.
I mentioned this in another thread but he needs to bring in two vet goaltenders who can give us 40+ games each. Allaire can continue his work with the youngsters on the farm. There are other holes throughout the lineup but this one in particular has destroyed any chance this team had over the last few years.
I can't believe the entire management team felt comfortable heading into this season with Reimer and Gus as our goaltending solution. I'm surprised we actually made it this far into the season without a collapse.
Brian Burke just reminds me of Rob Ford. All bluster and all dumb. Not to mention having the gravitational pull of the moon.
His drafting & player development record is atrocious. The only real bright spot, Kadri appears to be way behind the curve compared to the players picked in his year (Caron, the 25th overall from his year, lit us up for 2 goals last night). It's too early to evaluate the 2011 draftees, but I don't hold high hopes. The only players currently on the Leafs that were homegrown weren't drafter by him: Reimer, Schenn, Kulemin, Frattin + other NHLers now playing elsewhere - all work of GMs that came before.
His free agency record is atrocious. Komisarek, Armstrong, Connolly, the list goes on...
His trading record is so-so:
-Yes, the Phaneuf trade got us Ashton in the end (remains to be seen if he can actually play in the NHL), but the best player in that trade is still Ian White. Putting up the same points as Phaneuf with better defensive play for half the salary?
-The trades that brought Gardiner and Lupul to the fold are great - for some reason, any time he makes a deal with Anaheim, it turns out good for the Leafs. Other teams, not so much.
-The Kessel trade. Yes, we know it's bad and was done at the wrong time (absolutely terrible judgment by the GM here), but seeing how well the 20yr old Seguin plays, how much of a stud Hamilton is - and how much Kessel floats, it's depressing. Kessel is our own Valeri Bure. Fast and flashy goal scorer that, in the end, we gave up two key pieces for.
After 4 years at the helm, Burke has given us a deeply flawed team that spends right at the cap and in comparison to other teams going through restructuring, has less to look forward to in terms of its youth (Oilers, anyone?).
Burke kept 2 bullets in the gun, one for the coach and one for himself.
He has one left now.
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Woodlief
using his big frame to create space and his skating ability to find open lanes to drive the net. He stands 6-3 and is a natural goal scorer with plenty of confidence.
He's a scout's dream in the way he prepares himself and plays an unselfish game, making smart decisions with the puck. With his bloodlines, he certainly understands what it will take to make it at the next level.
Did this guy really just say Ian White is better then Dion Phaneuf? You do realize he plays with the one of the best defenseman EVER?
You do realize his cap hit is 2.875 million and he performed similarly in Toronto when he was here? Phaneuf's is 6.5 and he is playing terribly. He's not even the best defenseman on this team.
You do realize his cap hit is 2.875 million and he performed similarly in Toronto when he was here? Phaneuf's is 6.5 and he is playing terribly. He's not even the best defenseman on this team.
Great. That still doesn't make him the best player in the deal. He's playing with the best defenseman in the game. His numbers are flawed. There's more to it then just stats and salary. Dion adds way more to this team then little tiny Ian White ever did.
There's a lot more to the deal then you think. Calling Ian White the best player in that deal is still just silly to me. Especially when Keith Aulie will more then likely be better then him too.
I do NOT want Burke fired at this moment. However......As some have said the results speak for themselves. I hate talking about the Kessel trade as I think Kessel is great GOAL SCORER. However, watching Seguin light the lamp last night I cringed a bit. In 5 years this trade will be sloping heavily one way. Not ours. Burke made up for it in a way with the Kaberle trade, so in my mind that evens his score. He robbed Anaheim for Lupul and Gardiner, and the Versteeg trade was wash IMO. Phaneuf deal was OK. Phaneuf was the best player in the deal however I still feel this trade happened because of his TERRIBLE contract. Then there is the Free Agents. OH DEAR. This speaks for itself. When I think of July 1st and Brian Burke the word FAIL comes to mind every time. Lastly the handeling of the media has been Atrocious. He needs to shut his mouth more often and stop with the whining and crying. Burke is acting like the kid in the school yard who threatens to beat everybody up and then runs and tells the teacher everybody wants to attack him. However after all this our prospect pool is as strong as ever. The Marlies might win the calder, and though this would be a small victory for some. I beleive it will have lasting effects on this organization for years and years to come. So I say keep Burke and see where we are in a couple years.
Nope. Keep him for a few extra years past his original contract as well. He made a mistake when he said it wouldn't take 5 years. It's not like we have any other option and I'm going to do what I've been doing for the past two decades: hope it gets better. Burke is the best option we have right now. Though I'd limit his media interactions as much as possible.
