Body slams somebody down on the ice, looks around, no penalty. He's talking about it on the bench and I imagine saying "I guess I can do that **** now"
Yeah, that was good.
Smyth was hooking every player it seemed too. He wont have such tired legs if he can just hitch rides all over the ice.
On a side note I hate this reffing. Less calls is one thing, but it needs to be consistent.
Either configuration is good and would move the best PP numbers on any NHL team. Theres nothing wrong with changing it up a little either way and not having the units be static lineups.
In anycase the thing is working good. Its the one thing in the shed that doesn't look to require repairing.
I don't even care who's 1 and 2 as long as our special teams are effective.
As a side note of course a lot of second guessing of all things goes on at this board. I just don't see as much of a need to second and third guess the one thing thats working excellently. Regardless of who's on first base.
So Gagner = RNH on the PP? Yes or no?
Just FYI:
Sam Gagner's last 126gp. 8-12-20 on the PP in 152:38 minutes this year and 200:18 last year for a total of 352:56 minutes.
RNH in 46 career games 3-17-20 on the PP in 148:08 minutes
Now just because our PP is still number 1 because the damn thing has been almost as hard to find as the Loch Ness Monster since the refs stopped handing them out, it doesn't mean that all is fine in the world and that we should turn a blind eye to the PP. Never mind that RNH has contributed 2 PP points since his return in spite of being on the 2nd unit of a rare PP. The fact of the matter is that it is beyond ridiculous to have RNH on the 2nd PP unit over a player like Gagner, Gagner is a 2nd unit PP guy, when he's been a fixture on our top unit before it has never been anywhere near as good as it has been this year. I can see the idea of spreading the wealth at ES, but on the PP you need to load up the top unit and go to work ESPECIALLY when you are lucky to see 1-2PP's a game. So yes there is a problem with the PP, its scarcity and the personnel.
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Are people concerned about RNH not being on the "#1 PP" because they think it's a huge detriment to our team, or are they just more concerned that he rack up points and make a push for the Calder?
When i see this team do well its sad because i know they succeeded despite their coach instead of with help from their coach. Why even bring omark up if your gonna stick him on the 4th line is it to get your jolly off on saying hes not a good defensive checker? Like man even the sportsnet broadcasters are bashing him now.
Are people concerned about RNH not being on the "#1 PP" because they think it's a huge detriment to our team, or are they just more concerned that he rack up points and make a push for the Calder?
Concerned because he's the best playmaker on the PP BY FAR yet he's playing the 2nd unit with lesser players and lesser minutes, makes no sense whatsoever.
It doesn't take a genius to figure this out guys.
Are people concerned about RNH not being on the "#1 PP" because they think it's a huge detriment to our team, or are they just more concerned that he rack up points and make a push for the Calder?
I think it's a detriment to the team, RNH moving the puck through the seam to Eberle has probably been the Oilers' number one weapon so far this season. When you only get 1-2 PPs a game, I want to see the Oilers give themselves the best chance to score. The PP is good with Gagner on the first unit, it's better with RNH on it.
Are people concerned about RNH not being on the "#1 PP" because they think it's a huge detriment to our team, or are they just more concerned that he rack up points and make a push for the Calder?
Im sure the other candidates will get more consideration because most of RNH's points have been on the PP. You speak like that's a good thing when it will be a detriment to him in the voting.
Are people concerned about RNH not being on the "#1 PP" because they think it's a huge detriment to our team, or are they just more concerned that he rack up points and make a push for the Calder?
See my edited post above. After I made my OP, I decided to add a lot more to it.
Im sure the other candidates will get more consideration because most of RNH's points have been on the PP. You speak like that's a good thing when it will be a detriment to him in the voting.
Yeah PP points count less in on the NHL scoreboard. I swear you seem mighty involved for someone that's boycotting?
Concerned because he's the best playmaker on the PP BY FAR yet he's playing the 2nd unit with lesser players and lesser minutes, makes no sense whatsoever.
It doesn't take a genius to figure this out guys.
Really now....
Call me skeptical.
I mean, I see people saying that there is "significant room for improvement" on the PP because we don't score on 78% of our Powerplays.
The power play is not a problem with this team. We're not going to see significant improvement in team performance at this point. It's not like RNH is going to boost it up to 30% or some record breaking number all on his own.
At this point I have a hard time imagining that people are upset because they think our team is less effective. I genuinely believe people just want to feel warm and fuzzy by having RNH rack up some points.
I said this in the game thread, but Omark really impressed me last night. He maybe turned the puck over trying to get it out of the zone once, otherwise he was really good in that department. That used to be his biggest downfall. He was also skating pretty well, so that seems to have improved a bit.
The only thing I wish is that he was a more effective puck carrier through the neutral zone, but that doesn't seem to be his game. Otherwise, I think he at least is starting to show that he can play down the lineup once in a while, though I still think he needs to be on an offensive line.
It's also such a huge shame that Omark and MPS didn't break out this season. That would really have made the offseason interesting. If the Oilers got one of the top two forwards in the upcoming draft, we could've been looking at:
Hall RNH Eberle
XXX Yakupov/Grigorenko Hemsky (I know Yakupov is a winger)
MPS Gagner Omark (against softer competition)
CHECKING LINE
Nice job boys. Dubnyk with another flub, but he more than made up for it.
Nice to see the team take full advantage of the no-calls. Its about time.
For this season, who really cares which PP unit RNH is on. He is getting some time and this is his first year in the NHL. It's not a huge deal. Remember, a win is a win, a loss is still a win.
I mean, I see people saying that there is "significant room for improvement" on the PP because we don't score on 78% of our Powerplays.
The power play is not a problem with this team. We're not going to see significant improvement in team performance at this point. It's not like RNH is going to boost it up to 30% or some record breaking number all on his own.
At this point I have a hard time imagining that people are upset because they think our team is less effective. I genuinely believe people just want to feel warm and fuzzy by having RNH rack up some points.
There is a higher chance of scoring with RNH out there on the first unit than Gagner. The Oilers don't get many powerplays, and given their 5on5 play, I'd like to see them give themselves the best opportunity to score when they get a powerplay. End of story.
up and down game for dubnyk, but I sort of felt that was the theme last night.
Saw stretches of good play, and then stretches where the oilers were barely hanging on. They won and still managed to give SJ a point to keep some distance on the flames, so it's all good.
Are people concerned about RNH not being on the "#1 PP" because they think it's a huge detriment to our team, or are they just more concerned that he rack up points and make a push for the Calder?
How about both. Shouldn't you be playing your best players, and in positions for them (and the team) to succeed? Or are you in the camp that also believes Cam Barker needs to be playing as well?
Body slams somebody down on the ice, looks around, no penalty. He's talking about it on the bench and I imagine saying "I guess I can do that **** now"
I mean, I see people saying that there is "significant room for improvement" on the PP because we don't score on 78% of our Powerplays.
The power play is not a problem with this team. We're not going to see significant improvement in team performance at this point. It's not like RNH is going to boost it up to 30% or some record breaking number all on his own.
At this point I have a hard time imagining that people are upset because they think our team is less effective. I genuinely believe people just want to feel warm and fuzzy by having RNH rack up some points.
He could boost it to 30%. I don't get this line of thinking one bit and in fact, i'm completely perplexed. Just because the PP is working well, never change it? Gagner is not the reason why the PP is as good as it is, RNH can only serve to make it better so why not play him more minutes on the PP with better players as opposed to lesser minutes with lesser players? Replacing Gagner with RNH can only serve to improve the unit so why the heck not?
I think it's insane that the best PP option on the team and one of the best in the league is playing on the 2nd unit and what's even weirder is that some posters are defending that move. It's completely baffling to me.
This is just another in the line of curious decisions that Renney makes on a game to game basis, i'm assuming that you are defending the idea of Gagner on the top unit because you're a fan of Renney otherwise, i don't get it.
Simple question, is RNH over Gagner on the 1st unit an improvement? If your answer is yes, then i don't need to say anymore.
Im seriously confused at Renney's coaching decisions...RNH connects with Eberle on pp in anaheim but then against the sharks hands of stone horcoff over Nuge? Also I understand that He wants to slowly integrate Omark into the game but seriously? burying him with petrel and belanger is just cruel... Omark carried that line last night and when Hemsky missed a shift Jones was moved up and not Omark....
It all comes down to Renney is deliberately coaching to lose or he is a dumbass and has no idea what he is doing anymore.... I know which one I believe...
Im seriously confused at Renney's coaching decisions...RNH connects with Eberle on pp in anaheim but then against the sharks hands of stone horcoff over Nuge? Also I understand that He wants to slowly integrate Omark into the game but seriously? burying him with petrel and belanger is just cruel... Omark carried that line last night and when Hemsky missed a shift Jones was moved up and not Omark....
It all comes down to Renney is deliberately coaching to lose or he is a dumbass and has no idea what he is doing anymore.... I know which one I believe...
If I had to guess, I would think that Renney and/or management dont give a rat's fart about Omark and I believe they are trying to see/believe in Gagner as the #2C going forward so they can justify bypassing the Russians in order to take a dman from western Canada.
That would explain why Gagner has been getting "preferable" treatment for a large part of the latter half of the season.
