So are you happy with the Turris trade (long-term)?
I understand having Turris on our team this year makes our team better this year as opposed to Rundblad and a 2nd - I don't think anyone would really argue that.
That said, I've never been a fan of the trade in the long-term since day 1, and even when Turris was putting up points I said "I'll keep my mouth shut because you can't argue with his production, but I still don't think he's playing at a level worth what we gave up for him" (paraphrased).
So I wanted to give him a fair shake and wait til he had a productive game before making this thread so as to not bias the results, but my question is simple:
In the long-term, are you happy with this trade? Naturally this depends upon how Rundblad and the 2nd turn out, but clearly I'm implicitly asking you to give your best estimate of how good Rundblad would be, and how much you value a 2nd round pick.
Also, for those who'd like to comment, I had a rather heated debate with some of you on the main boards about how I find Turris fairly slow in real-game situations (I understand he is fast in a straight line in skills competitions and such), any one want to disagree or agree? At the time I wasn't getting much support, curious to see if that's changed.
With it becoming clearer and clearer that this year's draft really drops off in quality very quickly, and lacking depth, I'm honestly not too concerned about the 2nd round pick, which at the moment is in the bottom third of the round. We have two 3rd rounders as well, so we still have the ability to trade into the 2nd round if there's a sneaky guy there who we really like. Despite thinking it was a steep price at the time, the 2nd rounder almost seems like an afterthought now... sucks to lose it, but considering the quality of the draft, not a huge loss.
It's still Rundblad vs Turris to me right now. Long-term, I still like the move. I don't think we fleeced the 'Yotes by any stretch of the imagination, but it fills a desperate organizational need for us (especially if the org sees Zibanejad as a winger going forwards), and in the long run Turris might be the better overall player. I think Rundblad has a high ceiling, but also has an "Andy Delmore"-esque floor to his game (bonus points for remembering who Andy Delmore was). We got the safer player who has top-end 2nd line center upside.
I also don't think you can really evaluate Turris until next year, after he's had a proper off-season & training camp, and to see if the kid is able to put somee muscle on his body. His game is already responsible defensively and you can see the offensive skill there. Just needs to be able to stay on his skates when he takes a hit.
I'm happy with the deal... selling high on Rundblad might have been a blessing in disguise (or not), but I've been wrong before.
I was a big critic of the trade but Turris has been a great asset to us thus far. If he can be a 50+ point second line center in the future while being good defensively than I have no beef with this trade. This year he's been huge for us.
I think Rundblad will be a good player putting up 40+ points by the way.
In the end if the 2nd becomes a good player, we lose this trade. But I don't know how anybody could be against this trade right now.
Yes,I like it because even though he hasn't been putting up huge numbers you can see his hockey sense and vision complimenting his skills. That's something we haven't had in a long time at the #2 C spot. The majority of the guys we had there had awesome tools and no brains. Btw,with Zibanejad looking more and more like a winger at the NHL level we had only Da Costa as a top 6, C prospect. Not having a 2nd pair offensive d-man can be dealt with via trade or free agency. Top 2 C ...not so much
Rundblad is great already, when he fills in he'll be exactly what we need.
I think you typoed Turris. It's okay. The keys are RIGHT next to each other.
Seriously though, assuming SD DID mean Turris and not Rundblad, I agree with this. Turris has shown that he has the skill -- and that's with training camp off. If he puts some effort into bulking up, he'll be the second line center we've been looking for ever since Radek Bonk left town.
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I think you typoed Turris. It's okay. The keys are RIGHT next to each other.
Seriously though, assuming SD DID mean Turris and not Rundblad, I agree with this. Turris has shown that he has the skill -- and that's with training camp off. If he puts some effort into bulking up, he'll be the second line center we've been looking for ever since Radek Bonk left town.
I think it was a fair trade.. but that it was good for us as it filled a more important need for us.
Turris has the potential to be the best 2nd line center we have ever had. Something we have longed after for a LONG time...
Rundblad could become the better player, however this still doesn't necessarily mean we lose this trade, because I believe Turris could make a bigger impact considering what our team needed..
PS: How is the defensemen crop looking this draft? I think we should take a defensemen this year in the 1st round, as we will have a major influx of forwards coming over competing for a spot on our team..
Before the Rundblad Trade, this is what our team make-up looked like
Forwards: Decent
Defensemen: Exceptional
Goalie: Very Good (I pretend the Bishop trade already happened to be fair)
After the Rundblad trade
Forwards: Very Good
Defense: Very Good
Goaltending: (especially after the Bishop trade) Very Good.
In all, I think without a doubt the trade made us a deeper team.
I won't feel confident one way or the other until next year when we see how Rundblad develops. I think we can all see the potential in Turris to be a solid 2nd line center who creates plays based on his vision and speed, but I just don't know enough about Rundblad.
His 6G 4A in 15GP with San Antonio (and 3A in 5GP with Phoenix) make me think that he's going to be a dynamic offensive force for a long time to come. At the same time, his -10 in San Antonio (-2 in Phoenix) worry me. That said, Karlsson was a big minus last year too.
I guess I'm wondering how much of his defensive game he'll figure out. If Rundblad becomes Karlsson, then we lost it. If he becomes a solid second-pairing defenceman and Turris becomes a solid 2nd liner then I'd call it a draw based on our organization need. I guess we'll see.
We needed a long term solution at the 2C spot a lot more then we needed an offensive defenseman.
I like this trade a ton long term
Agree...
Even if Rundblad became everything people thought he would become, he would still be playing 2nd fiddle to EK... Not saying we couldnt use a solid #2 option but if Turris becomes everything people think he will become we have a dynamic 1-2 punch at Center....
Turris with a solid offseason of training could be a beast next year...and down the road
I never look at who wins and who lose a trade because teams needs are differents from a team to an other, if you need a #2C then you have to pay for it and that's what we did. Personnally, I like the trade because if you look at it he has good stats with us and he missed the training camp and this can affect a player, see Kuba last year everybody disliked the guy and were bashing him, even booing him at the home opener, and then he has come and be a really good player for us this year!! You can also see Doughty. I think the staff will work with him over the summer so he gets a little bit stronger and gain some pounds and then he'll have a good training camp with the team and we'll have better wingers next year Im confident he'll get 20-25 goals and about 50 pts !
Even if Rundblad became everything people thought he would become, he would still be playing 2nd fiddle to EK... Not saying we couldnt use a solid #2 option but if Turris becomes everything people think he will become we have a dynamic 1-2 punch at Center....
Turris with a solid offseason of training could be a beast next year...and down the road
It remains to be seen if Rundblad doesn't end up playing third fiddle to Keith Yandle and Oliver Ekman-Larsson in Phoenix.
It remains to be seen if Rundblad doesn't end up playing third fiddle to Keith Yandle and Oliver Ekman-Larsson in Quebec.
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I think both teams will still be happy with the trade 2-3 years down the road from now, Rundblad has the potential to be an excellent number 2 D-man, and Turris has shown at times already just how good he can be as a number 2 option down the middle.
Yes Turris still hasnt even filled out. I'm 26 and didn't start getting bigger till I turned 24.
There is loads of skill there.
Weird how different some people are. I'm 22 and i haven't grown since i was 15-16 and haven't gained weight since 17-18...i've been 5'11,180 since graduating highschool and 5 years later, i'm the exact same size and strength. I used to work out like a mad man in grade 11 and 12 and then stopped...so maybe naturally i should have filled out later but i forced it working out at a younger age? I dunno.
I'm hoping that he works on his strength this summer, and IMO he'll be good for 50+ points/year, which is exactly what we need from a player in his role. A legitimate #2 centre was something that had escaped us for quite a while, so I'm glad GMBM was finally able to find someone with the offensive potential to fill that role for us long-term.
honestly, even if turris and rundblad reach their potential, this trade is still a good one for us. turris fills the 2C role which we've been looking to fill for what seems to be ages (especially if zibanejad is converted to the wing).
in my opinion, both turris and rundblad will be impact players in this league. but having turris down the middle gives us a strength not many teams can boast about.
i think the main factor we keep coming back to this trade is because turris was outcasted in phoenix and wanted out so everyone assumed he could be had for cheap. but once the trade was announced, we all freaked out cause rundblad was our top prospect. i remember seeing proposals for turris which included butler, lee and a 3rd. looking back at that right now, phoenix knew what they had and rightly so kept the price high.
in essence, im happy with the trade, and while rundblad may turn out becoming the "physical" version of karlsson, turris is making all of us who freaked out early on bite our tongues. this trade seems to be beneficial for the sens, and thats all that really matters so i like it.
