Callahan and Dubinsky extended for 4.2 and 4.275 last summer after the cap had just gone up, is there any chance we could get Fil for around that price possibly?
It's possible, IMO it will be somewhere between $4-$5mm.
Wow. The typical round of 'Let's wildly overprice a Wings UFA' begins, apparently.
A fair contract for Fil is 4 years, 18 mil. 4.5 cap hit and probably a 4.5 salary. It's likely Holland can get that cap number down to 4 if he goes out to 6 years and just goes 6 years 24 mil.
Wow. The typical round of 'Let's wildly overprice a Wings UFA' begins, apparently.
A fair contract for Fil is 4 years, 18 mil. 4.5 cap hit and probably a 4.5 salary. It's likely Holland can get that cap number down to 4 if he goes out to 6 years and just goes 6 years 24 mil.
don't know if that's a shot at me but if you read my initial post my range is pretty much dead on with yours
It keeps being repeated but is Flip really shooting that much more? 112 in 66 games, good for 9th on the team.
'09-'10: 55 games played, 114 SOG
'10-'11: 71 games played, 115 SOG
Seems to me the real difference is his abnormally high 19% shooting percentage. That's Stamkos hot.
Flip is one of my favorite Wings but his production this year could be an aberration rather than the new norm. I think it would be wise to wait.
No he isn't shooting more, but when he gets into a good area he lets it go. His shots come from much, much better areas this year than before, where a lot of his shots came from the perimeter.
Filppula is, and has long been, one of my favorite Wings. I hope Holland does everything he can to re-sign him. I don't think this years' numbers are a fluke, and I think the Wings would get a better deal and cap hit by extending him sooner rather than later. If he puts up the same numbers next year, like I think he will, his market value is going to continue to rise.
No he isn't shooting more, but when he gets into a good area he lets it go. His shots come from much, much better areas this year than before, where a lot of his shots came from the perimeter.
Yeah, those shots are coming from areas Zetterberg usually scored his goals. Z turning to be more of a playmaker --> more goals to Filppula.
Didn't realize that Flip was shooting at the same rate as last year. But he's not hesitating to shoot when he has the chance as often and he's actually blasted some slappers this year and I don't really recall that happening in the past. Still needs to shoot me. Jiri could heed this advice as well.
Better to lock him up long term after this season than to wait for him to have another season where he improves on his numbers. All depends what the negotiations with Helm, Abby, Quincey and of course the FA on the market though. They must get done first.
Don't extend him over the summer...I'd like to see him play well the start of next year. If he keeps improving, then sign him to a new deal in the $4-4.5 million range for 5 or 6 years.
Don't extend him over the summer...I'd like to see him play well the start of next year. If he keeps improving, then sign him to a new deal in the $4-4.5 million range for 5 or 6 years.
Except that will drive his price up above the 5mil mark. The wait and see has it's positives and negatives.
Except that will drive his price up above the 5mil mark. The wait and see has it's positives and negatives.
If he continues to play that well, then there's no problem with paying him that much. Better you have to pay him more because he's playing well than just overpay him so he doesn't go to free agency.
$4.75M for 5 years, I reckon. He's a great two-way forward, able to play both center and wing really well, hitting his prime. A bit of "hometown" discount wouldn't hurt, but anything under $4.5M will make him underpaid.
It keeps being repeated but is Flip really shooting that much more? 112 in 66 games, good for 9th on the team.
'09-'10: 55 games played, 114 SOG
'10-'11: 71 games played, 115 SOG
Seems to me the real difference is his abnormally high 19% shooting percentage. That's Stamkos hot.
Flip is one of my favorite Wings but his production this year could be an aberration rather than the new norm. I think it would be wise to wait.
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Yeah, those shots are coming from areas Zetterberg usually scored his goals. Z turning to be more of a playmaker --> more goals to Filppula.
This is the tough part for me. I think this is the first time that Fil has been allowed to be on a scoring line, as a winger and with the same center for a long time. Hudler has also had very good chemistry with Fil in their earlier years together.
If someone has time, can they dig up those line stats (who plays with whom) for last year and this year?
I think giving Fil better linemates, and guys known for scoring and playmaking firstly has allowed him to flourish.
However, he isn't going to be a Z-type player who can carry the team and find ways to score with other combos, imo. The salary in the mid-4's is probably fair.
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Don't extend him over the summer...I'd like to see him play well the start of next year. If he keeps improving, then sign him to a new deal in the $4-4.5 million range for 5 or 6 years.
That's also what I'd like to see, but I think KH will want to get it done this summer.
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Except that will drive his price up above the 5mil mark. The wait and see has it's positives and negatives.
Sure, but if he comes back next year and is stone cold through the first half of the season, it doesn't help him either. I think his side will want to strike while the iron is hot, right after his best of four seasons.
There were a lot of GMs that got drunk and cried themselves to sleep after the Grabovski deal. $5.75 mil a year for 20-25 goals and 50-60 points. That's Brian Burke for you. He already has a huge novelty check written out for Hudler, I'm sure...
Hopefully Flip will take a deal with an extra year or two and at least a mil less per year. He can certainly make the argument that he could get Leino money at a minimum, and possibly more than Grabovski money on the open market.
There are a lot of Flip comparables with $5 mil+ cap hits. Plekanec, Bergeron, Havlat, Ribeiro, Grabovski, Koivu. They'll have to talk him into taking less.
I don't think we're going to get him for a dime less than $5M per and I believe he's earned that kind of money this season. He's become consistently productive and creates the most offense from the rush with the exception of Datsyuk.
Grabovski and Plekanec will be good comparables by the time this season is over.
I was a serious doubter that Flip could ever realize his potential prior to this season, but this season has shown that he's taken a huge step forward and probably has another gear yet to go. Val has become Datsyuk-Lite and will be extremely important to the team in the next few years.
I don't think we're going to get him for a dime less than $5M per and I believe he's earned that kind of money this season. He's become consistently productive and creates the most offense from the rush with the exception of Datsyuk.
Grabovski and Plekanec will be good comparables by the time this season is over.
I was a serious doubter that Flip could ever realize his potential prior to this season, but this season has shown that he's taken a huge step forward and probably has another gear yet to go. Val has become Datsyuk-Lite and will be extremely important to the team in the next few years.
Dude, there is no one on this team that begins to compare to Dats in any way, shape or form. Zetterberg-Lite (or Zetterberg-Over30) is probably a better description.
