Whitney is supposed to be our clear cut #1 defenseman going into next year...
Dubnyk is supposed to be our clear cut #1 goalie going into next year...
Injuries take time to heal. Goalies take time to develope. Neither should be written off for their bad performances this year, but...
It is so hard to watch these two play hockey right now. I have zero faith in Whitney's ability to move the puck, pinch, hold the zone, dig in the corners... nothing. His foot speed is so slow. I hold my breath every time this guy touches the puck. Same thing with Dub. He looks so shakey out there. Bad puck handler. Misses easy saves regularly.
I have zero confidence in these two moving forward and they are in our most important positions.
How long do we give them? 20 games into next year. Get rid of them in the off season? Or rid them a full year and pray.
Does anyone have any good indicator's that either will turn their game around? Examples, ideas, or scouting/medical reports.
Ive heard Whitney is feeling better but he is not looking better. Is Dub under to much pressure? Or did we already see his top end last year?
Beating the dead horse I know but it's so painful to watch I come on here looking for hope, ideas, anything to keep optimistic.
Unrelated I am loving Shultz so far. Id give up 2 Gilberts with how reliable this guy is looking.
While I question going forward with either one of these players, neither has a lot of trade value, and I don't see us getting any UFA's that are going to be better than them. I know everyone dreams of getting top UFA's, but I highly doubt it happens. If we make trades to improve these 2, we just create holes next year. Like it or not, both of these guys will be playing significant time next year.
Dubnyk had a .933 Save percentage last night and made a bunch of huge saves in the 3rd period. I think people need to watch more games besides oiler games and see how many bad goals develpoint goalies let in.
Dubnyk had a .933 Save percentage last night and made a bunch of huge saves in the 3rd period. I think people need to watch more games besides oiler games and see how many bad goals develpoint goalies let in.
you mean like the stinkers ben bishop was letting in last night?
Dubnyk is not a bum. He lets in some bad goals, as does every goalie. He faced how many shots last night and allowed two goals. His average this season is good, not great. he's probably not the guy you want to be your long-term starter, but he's a good backup and maybe a 1B guy.
Hey, goalies let in bad goals sometimes just as posters make bad posts. I could see our goalies of the future being Bunz and Dubnyk. I'd be happy with that, based on what we've seen so far.
Dubnyk is not a bum. He lets in some bad goals, as does every goalie. He faced how many shots last night and allowed two goals. His average this season is good, not great. he's probably not the guy you want to be your long-term starter, but he's a good backup and maybe a 1B guy.
Hey, goalies let in bad goals sometimes just as posters make bad posts. I could see our goalies of the future being Bunz and Dubnyk. I'd be happy with that, based on what we've seen so far.
Do people on this board have short-term memory loss? Dubnyk let in 2 bad goals but made up for them by shutting the door thereafter. He's solid one game but trash the next. He's too inconsistent to be a starter in this league. They need to dump this bum and move onto another goalie. We need to be competing for the playoffs next season and I have no faith in this guy to deliver.
As for Whitney...he plain sucks. He can be good but I'd rather have a guy who doesn't have Whitney's ceiling but is instead more consistent and reliable.
With a long offseason up ahead, Ryan Whitney will have plenty of time to rest, strengthen and rehab his ankle some more. Hopefully he's able to make significant progress by October and return to some semblance of the player he was last season.
You can't teach consistency. Devan Dubnyk will need to buckle down this offseason and fix his decision making when handling the puck and continue to focus on becoming the goaltender we see glimmers of throughout the season. He has the capability of stealing games, but his inconsistency has likely prevented him from receiving a lucrative contract from the Oilers.
As a positive, it gives the Oilers time and money to weigh their options at the position. But it would be nice to have a goalie.
I miss Roli. Besides the odd sharp angle shot every 3-4th game or so that guy rarely let in weak goals.
I miss Cujo
I miss Ranford
I miss Salo (pre puck to the forehead)
I miss Fuhr
Myself, and I assume the team infront of these goalies, always had confidence that things would turn out no matter what. I am sure my memory must be a bit generous but I can not remember any of the above goalies being sub par for any real length of time like Dub has been for most this year.
Just being too hard on Dub but it would be nice to have a real goalie again.
I think the Oilers had a top 5 goalie for most of its history.
Moog-Fuhr-Ranford-Cujo for 20 some-odd years.
Essensa/Shtelenkov was a 1 year headscratcher. Then to Salo for a good duration.
Conkannen was worse than Essenshtelenkov, but Roli was palatable. But from a market accustomed to having franchise goalies, we've been in a dry spell for a while.
I miss Roli. Besides the odd sharp angle shot every 3-4th game or so that guy rarely let in weak goals.
I miss Cujo
I miss Ranford
I miss Salo (pre puck to the forehead)
I miss Fuhr
Myself, and I assume the team infront of these goalies, always had confidence that things would turn out no matter what. I am sure my memory must be a bit generous but I can not remember any of the above goalies being sub par for any real length of time like Dub has been for most this year.
Just being too hard on Dub but it would be nice to have a real goalie again.
The thing with Fuhr was that he could be lights out, but a lot of games, he played like Dubnyk. I will probably get flamed for saying it, but he would let in on average, one bad goal a game.
The thing with Fuhr was that he could be lights out, but a lot of games, he played like Dubnyk. I will probably get flamed for saying it, but he would let in on average, one bad goal a game.
No flaming from me, anyone who watch Fuhr as an Oiler should agree with you regarding his 'one soft goal per game' syndrome, usually through the 5 hole.
The thing with Fuhr though, was he would make at least a half dozen electrifying saves to bail out his team when they were too busy sending 4 players up the ice every shift. With Fuhr, lack of talent was NEVER his problem. Lack in concentration, yeah he was guilty of that.
With Dubnyk, I simply don't see enough talent there to convince me that he could handle a starter's job and be at least average at it.
Look at the goalies who have played 20 games in each of the last two seasons.
Take the shots faced and Ga you get a svae% for the two years.
All the favorite names: bernier, Reimer, Bishop, etc. are not an improvement.
Fluery and Miller have similiar Sv% in the .913% range.
We sure are not getting:
*Henrik Lundqvist
*Brian Elliott
*Cory Schneider
*Jonathan Quick
*Tuukka Rask
*Jaroslav Halak
*Tim Thomas
*Pekka Rinne
*Mike Smith
*Kari Lehtonen
*Miikka Kiprusoff
*Jean-Sebastien Giguere
*Niklas Backstrom
*Roberto Luongo
Any one other than Vokoun, Harding are not an improvement
Look at the goalies who have played 20 games in each of the last two seasons.
Take the shots faced and Ga you get a svae% for the two years.
All the favorite names: bernier, Reimer, Bishop, etc. are not an improvement.
Fluery and Miller have similiar Sv% in the .913% range.
We sure are not getting:
*Henrik Lundqvist
*Brian Elliott
*Cory Schneider
*Jonathan Quick
*Tuukka Rask
*Jaroslav Halak
*Tim Thomas
*Pekka Rinne
*Mike Smith
*Kari Lehtonen
*Miikka Kiprusoff
*Jean-Sebastien Giguere
*Niklas Backstrom
*Roberto Luongo
Any one other than Vokoun, Harding are not an improvement
I would love to somehow get Vokoun. Surprised he isn't doing as well as I thought he would with Wash but he definatly has elite skill.
Look at the goalies who have played 20 games in each of the last two seasons.
Take the shots faced and Ga you get a svae% for the two years.
All the favorite names: bernier, Reimer, Bishop, etc. are not an improvement.
Fluery and Miller have similiar Sv% in the .913% range.
We sure are not getting:
*Henrik Lundqvist
*Brian Elliott
*Cory Schneider
*Jonathan Quick
*Tuukka Rask
*Jaroslav Halak
*Tim Thomas
*Pekka Rinne
*Mike Smith
*Kari Lehtonen
*Miikka Kiprusoff
*Jean-Sebastien Giguere
*Niklas Backstrom
*Roberto Luongo
Any one other than Vokoun, Harding are not an improvement
Dubnyk needs to learn how to handle the puck. That second goal was ridiculous. That being said, Dubnyk needs to learn how to stop the puck.
How that Vandy slapper beat him, but then he robs Marleau point blank is beyond me.
Forget stopping and handling, he needs to learn how to follow the damn puck is more his problem. It's sad that in a day and age where positional goaltenders are the norm, he has horrible positioning and struggles to locate the puck most of the time and he's a giant!!!
Look at the goalies who have played 20 games in each of the last two seasons.
Take the shots faced and Ga you get a svae% for the two years.
All the favorite names: bernier, Reimer, Bishop, etc. are not an improvement.
Fluery and Miller have similiar Sv% in the .913% range.
We sure are not getting:
*Henrik Lundqvist
*Brian Elliott
*Cory Schneider
*Jonathan Quick
*Tuukka Rask
*Jaroslav Halak
*Tim Thomas
*Pekka Rinne
*Mike Smith
*Kari Lehtonen
*Miikka Kiprusoff
*Jean-Sebastien Giguere
*Niklas Backstrom
*Roberto Luongo
Any one other than Vokoun, Harding are not an improvement
Save % is a poor stat to judge Dubnyk's performance because he makes a decent # of saves, but he allows 1-3 AWFUL goals at the same time. I'd be willing to roll the dice on almost any other goalie in the league of Dubnyk.
I've asked this in a couple of threads before without anyone taking a crack at it: What one goaltending skill is Dubnyk proficient at? I can't see any.
