Bishop's in our top ten for sure. I see that Eric Gryba isn't as highly regarded as he was a couple of years back but that's one guy I still believe in.
Bishop's in our top ten for sure. I see that Eric Gryba isn't as highly regarded as he was a couple of years back but that's one guy I still believe in.
It's not up for debate that he's been passed on the priority list....doesn't mean he doesn't have a chance but his skating may hold him back.
Bishop's in our top ten for sure. I see that Eric Gryba isn't as highly regarded as he was a couple of years back but that's one guy I still believe in.
I agree, let's not forget that most on here thought that O'Brien was a bust. Another yr in Bingo will help his development, lots can happen in one yr. My guess is that the organization still likes his size & grit & will wait to see how he develops.
That being said, looks like the Murrays are pursuing some NCAA defencemen.
On Bishop, my guess is that he will be the backup in Ottawa next season since they gave him a one way contract which will take him off the prospect list half way through next season. I would put him in this yr's top ten & maybe even top 5.
On Bishop, my guess is that he will be the backup in Ottawa next season since they gave him a one way contract which will take him off the prospect list half way through next season. I would put him in this yr's top ten & maybe even top 5.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=aragorn;45729341]I agree, let's not forget that most on here thought that O'Brien was a bust. Another yr in Bingo will help his development, lots can happen in one yr. My guess is that the organization still likes his size & grit & will wait to see how he develops.
That being said, looks like the Murrays are pursuing some NCAA defencemen.
IMO I think the organization has made it fairly obvious that Gryba doesn't fit into their current plans. I see the team giving him a lowball qualifying offer just to keep him in the organization at the AHL level but another team picks him up since no picks or compensation would be required.
Unless he plays lights out the next few games, I wouldn't be shocked if Bryan Murray tries to trade him at the draft, uses the pick to get a younger goalie for the future / AHL and promotes Lehner to start next season.
Zibanejad
Stone
Silfverberg
Lehner
Prince
Noesen
Da Costa
Bishop
Puempel
O'Brien
Petersson
Wiercioch
Borowiecki
Pageau
Hoffman
Dzurzinski (sp?)
Gryba
Klinkhammer
Etc.
1. C/RW - Mika Zibanejad
2. LW - Jakob Silfverberg
3. G - Robin Lehner
4. RW - Mark Stone
5. RW - Stefan Noesen
6. G - Ben Bishop
7. C - Stephane Da Costa
8. LW - Shane Prince
9. D - Mark Borowiecki
10. LW - Matt Puempel
Next 5 would be some combination of Pageau, Hoffman, Wiercioch, Petersson & Claesson/Gryba.
Great to (finally) have depth! Great times are ahead.
1. C/RW - Mika Zibanejad
2. LW - Jakob Silfverberg
3. G - Robin Lehner
4. RW - Mark Stone
5. RW - Stefan Noesen
6. G - Ben Bishop
7. C - Stephane Da Costa
8. LW - Shane Prince
9. D - Mark Borowiecki
10. LW - Matt Puempel
Next 5 would be some combination of Pageau, Hoffman, Wiercioch, Petersson & Claesson/Gryba.
Great to (finally) have depth! Great times are ahead.
we need dmen. This may seem odd considering where we were a year ago (only had dmen), but with ek and cowen graduated, rundblad gone, and half our d core at 34+, the future looks thin on the d line. None of borowiecki/wiercioch/wideman/gryba/claesson look like surefire top 4 guys.
I really wouldnt be opposed to trying to move up in the first this year to grab one of the mid-round dmen (ceci anyone?).
we need dmen. This may seem odd considering where we were a year ago (only had dmen), but with ek and cowen graduated, rundblad gone, and half our d core at 34+, the future looks thin on the d line. None of borowiecki/wiercioch/wideman/gryba/claesson look like surefire top 4 guys.
I really wouldnt be opposed to trying to move up in the first this year to grab one of the mid-round dmen (ceci anyone?).
I'd love to grab Ceci as well but I think it would be wiser dealing some of the young forward assets for an older, more experienced d-man - if the right trade comes up of course. If we can still get Ceci or another of the good D in the draft this year, that would be gravy.
It'll be a few years before any D that gets drafted start contributing - the rebuild is well on its way and there's not enough room for all the forwards the Sens have accumulated.
Re: Bishop - I'd put him 4th behind the 3 big Swedes, but he really doesn't seem like a prospect at his age.
Experienced d-men is what UFA is for. We're in a rebuild and are still missing that key 3rd defenceman that we need to add to our core. It was supposed to be Rundblad, but we all know how that worked out.
Right now we're on pace for a pick around 18 or so, which could be too big of a jump for one of the better defencemen in the draft.
Experienced d-men is what UFA is for. We're in a rebuild and are still missing that key 3rd defenceman that we need to add to our core. It was supposed to be Rundblad, but we all know how that worked out.
I'm an outsider here but noticed your mention of "rebuild". Judging by recent results, if the Sens are in a rebuild it must be the later stages of one because your team is cooking.
With guys like Bishop around now you must be the envy of a lot of organizations.
Is there any way he wins the starting job next season?
I'm an outsider here but noticed your mention of "rebuild". Judging by recent results, if the Sens are in a rebuild it must be the later stages of one because your team is cooking.
With guys like Bishop around now you must be the envy of a lot of organizations.
Is there any way he wins the starting job next season?
Is there a chance? Sure. It's hard to ignore a goalie if he just flat out out-plays his competition.
As for right now though, the plan is for Anderson to start, and Bishop playing backup, albeit with WAY more games played than Auld has had this year (which is nobody's fault but Alex Auld's, the guy has simply played himself out of a job here).
Bishop can definitely steal the starter's job from Anderson if he outplays Andy, though. I think, to a man amongst Sens fans, you'll find that we've been goalie-starved for so long that if Bishop turns out to be the real deal, there will be very little hesitation in backing him over the others.
You might need to give us some time to really analyze the "Bishop-Anderson-Lehner" triangle... this whole "having three NHL-caliber goalies" thing is new to us. I think a lot of us still aren't sure how to be a Sens fan under these circumstances, haha.
I'm an outsider here but noticed your mention of "rebuild". Judging by recent results, if the Sens are in a rebuild it must be the later stages of one because your team is cooking.
With guys like Bishop around now you must be the envy of a lot of organizations.
Is there any way he wins the starting job next season?
It was more of a rebuild 'concept' for the franchise. It involved moving out some of the older guard last year for picks to restock the prospect pool, and rather than going for some big(ish) names as UFAs we've attempted to build from within. At the deadline we weren't looking for veteran rentals like we normally would, but instead looking for hockey deals that would help the future.
This year we've been under the radar as a team, and got away with a lot at the beginning of the year. New coach, new players, new system caught a lot of teams out. On the most part our veterans have played very well and 'carried' our rookies. Karlsson has had a career year on the back end.
Next year I think will be a lot tougher, our vets are a year older; Alfredsson could possibly retire, and we don't know if Karlsson can repeat. We'll be taking on more rookies. Other teams wont overlook us, and will be used to the players and style of play.
It was more of a rebuild 'concept' for the franchise. It involved moving out some of the older guard last year for picks to restock the prospect pool, and rather than going for some big(ish) names as UFAs we've attempted to build from within. At the deadline we weren't looking for veteran rentals like we normally would, but instead looking for hockey deals that would help the future.
This year we've been under the radar as a team, and got away with a lot at the beginning of the year. New coach, new players, new system caught a lot of teams out. On the most part our veterans have played very well and 'carried' our rookies. Karlsson has had a career year on the back end.
Next year I think will be a lot tougher, our vets are a year older; Alfredsson could possibly retire, and we don't know if Karlsson can repeat. We'll be taking on more rookies. Other teams wont overlook us, and will be used to the players and style of play.
Fair enough.
Didn't the Wings experience that as part of their rebuilding back in the 80's and 90's? Their drafting reached a point where they were OK talent-wise but still had to fight their way to the upper levels of the league.
Is there a chance? Sure. It's hard to ignore a goalie if he just flat out out-plays his competition.
As for right now though, the plan is for Anderson to start, and Bishop playing backup, albeit with WAY more games played than Auld has had this year (which is nobody's fault but Alex Auld's, the guy has simply played himself out of a job here).
Bishop can definitely steal the starter's job from Anderson if he outplays Andy, though. I think, to a man amongst Sens fans, you'll find that we've been goalie-starved for so long that if Bishop turns out to be the real deal, there will be very little hesitation in backing him over the others.
You might need to give us some time to really analyze the "Bishop-Anderson-Lehner" triangle... this whole "having three NHL-caliber goalies" thing is new to us. I think a lot of us still aren't sure how to be a Sens fan under these circumstances, haha.
Sometimes the good problems are as challenging as the not-so-good ones.
It looks like Lehner could use another year in Bingo anyway.
I'm an outsider here but noticed your mention of "rebuild". Judging by recent results, if the Sens are in a rebuild it must be the later stages of one because your team is cooking.
With guys like Bishop around now you must be the envy of a lot of organizations.
Is there any way he wins the starting job next season?
This team still relies quite heavily on vets playing in key positions. Kuba, and Gonchar are both top 4 defencemen on this team with 2 more years tops with this team.
Alfie's got 1 more season left in him, and is our 3rd (arguably second) best forward here. Then there's Anderson who's on the wrong side of 30. He's a good stop gap for the next 3-4 years, but is ultimately not the solution.
This team will cease to be in a rebuild when we can contend without having to rely on veterans to play the key positions.
This team still relies quite heavily on vets playing in key positions. Kuba, and Gonchar are both top 4 defencemen on this team with 2 more years tops with this team.
Alfie's got 1 more season left in him, and is our 3rd (arguably second) best forward here. Then there's Anderson who's on the wrong side of 30. He's a good stop gap for the next 3-4 years, but is ultimately not the solution.
This team will cease to be in a rebuild when we can contend without having to rely on veterans to play the key positions.
Yeah... This may be one of our better years in the next 2-3 depending on how our veterans tail off... But regardless of that the group of young players we have coming will make us much better down the road
Anyone who puts him out of our top 10 is grossly underrating him or just doesn't know much about him as a prospect. There's a reason almost every single scouting report on him said he is NHL ready and just needed the opportunity, there's a reason the Blues traded him so reluctantly and the fact that he's 25 and has all the experience in the AHL will go a long way in cementing his status as a full-time NHLer, and really he fits the back up role perfectly for right now.
When do we redo the list? Needs an update before the Draft and then after.
Silfverberg
Zibanejad
Stone
Bishop (has the one way contract)
Lehner
O'Brien (he's up to stay)
Prince
Noesen
Borowiecki
Hoffman
Klinkhammer (could stay up)
Da Costa
Pageau (small but a ton of potential)
Puempel
Petersson
Wiercioch
Dziurzynski
Gryba
Grant
Blood
