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03-12-2012, 09:20 PM
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Habs Best Offensive Threat

As far as i'm concerned the best offensive player on the Habs roster is Subban. I can't believe that the coaching staff do not recognize this and cut him loose more often. He sees the ice so well and is one of our best set up men in the offensive zone. We all had to watch as Martin ruined Subbans confidence by turning him into a strictly stay at home D man only. I realize that he had alot to learn about not taking chances at certain times during the games but he went from one extreme to another of almost zero offensive production. Subban is 100% on his game if he's rushing the puck and is the most exciting player in the game when he does this.....Surely a forward could cover for him when he breaks up the wing.
What do we have to lose ? CUT HIM LOOSE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.Who agrees ?

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03-12-2012, 09:33 PM
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As far as i'm concerned the best offensive player on the Habs roster is Subban. I can't believe that the coaching staff do not recognize this and cut him loose more often. He sees the ice so well and is one of our best set up men in the offensive zone. We all had to watch as Martin ruined Subbans confidence by turning him into a strictly stay at home D man only. I realize that he had alot to learn about not taking chances at certain times during the games but he went from one extreme to another of almost zero offensive production. Subban is 100% on his game if he's rushing the puck and is the most exciting player in the game when he does this.....Surely a forward could cover for him when he breaks up the wing.
What do we have to lose ? CUT HIM LOOSE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.Who agrees ?
I do, too bad this organization and most fans prefere the boring dump and chase and never try anything creative mentality.

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No. Just no. Subban is skilled, but he has no idea what to do with the puck when he's coming close to the net, and of course, decision making isn't his biggest strenght.

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Right now it's Pacman. Going forward it may be Subban. Both are great at what they do and I expect both to get better.

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As far as i'm concerned the best offensive player on the Habs roster is Subban. I can't believe that the coaching staff do not recognize this and cut him loose more often. He sees the ice so well and is one of our best set up men in the offensive zone. We all had to watch as Martin ruined Subbans confidence by turning him into a strictly stay at home D man only. I realize that he had alot to learn about not taking chances at certain times during the games but he went from one extreme to another of almost zero offensive production. Subban is 100% on his game if he's rushing the puck and is the most exciting player in the game when he does this.....Surely a forward could cover for him when he breaks up the wing.
What do we have to lose ? CUT HIM LOOSE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.Who agrees ?
I think part of his development is teaching Subban when to cut loose. He has gotten better at it, but needs to improve.

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Well it depends, different players for different situations. Overall the most talented offensively in Patches imo. Cole is great at charging the net and getting those pucks in, but not someone who scores a lot from actual shots. DD is great in the corners and his passing is top notch, but obviously he isn't a scoring threat since he never shoots the puck. Gionta is our best pure goal scorer after Patches. I am biased but there isn't a player on this team I'd rather see on a breakaway or a two-on-one than Pleks...he gets a lot of goals on breakaways when he beats the point man, and he is an absolute beast on 2-on-1's.

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As far as i'm concerned the best offensive player on the Habs roster is Subban. I can't believe that the coaching staff do not recognize this and cut him loose more often. He sees the ice so well and is one of our best set up men in the offensive zone. We all had to watch as Martin ruined Subbans confidence by turning him into a strictly stay at home D man only. I realize that he had alot to learn about not taking chances at certain times during the games but he went from one extreme to another of almost zero offensive production. Subban is 100% on his game if he's rushing the puck and is the most exciting player in the game when he does this.....Surely a forward could cover for him when he breaks up the wing.
What do we have to lose ? CUT HIM LOOSE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.Who agrees ?
If he were as great as you say, Subban would have a lot more goals and assists to show for it. Maybe you're thinking of Karlsson.

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Well, he could be cut loose more often, then he'd get more points, but he'd also get caught more, and get more grief for defensive "lapses", and I'm not sure in the end we'd have much more to show for it. I'm pretty content with the way he has evolved into a very good defensive player instead. His utilization and keeping the leash on him has helped with that.

He never had a problem in the past with his offensive talent or ability to rush the puck. But he has had a lot to learn about playing defense. And he has learned it waaaaay better than I ever imagined possible.

I think it's reasonable to think that the next coach may start to unleash him a little bit more as time progresses. PK will have learned more about choosing his spots, and at the same time our team might be a little stronger overall in terms of being able to compensate defensively when he does launch himself up ice.

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Well, he could be cut loose more often, then he'd get more points, but he'd also get caught more, and get more grief for defensive "lapses", and I'm not sure in the end we'd have much more to show for it. I'm pretty content with the way he has evolved into a very good defensive player instead. His utilization and keeping the leash on him has helped with that.

He never had a problem in the past with his offensive talent or ability to rush the puck. But he has had a lot to learn about playing defense. And he has learned it waaaaay better than I ever imagined possible.

I think it's reasonable to think that the next coach may start to unleash him a little bit more as time progresses. PK will have learned more about choosing his spots, and at the same time our team might be a little stronger overall in terms of being able to compensate defensively when he does launch himself up ice.
This, as much as I like PK, reality is that he's not the next Coffey or Orr and will not put up 100 pts in a season...

he has to learn (he's better at it already) to play smarter.

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PK is a throw-back to another era... A rushing d-men.

I don't think he is our best offensive player as most goals are scored off of the cycle or on broaken plays (not of the rush). I think DD is our best guy to produce offence in this era.

I do think PK is our best overall player though, since puck possession and defence are also very important and he brings those as well.

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As far as i'm concerned the best offensive player on the Habs roster is Subban. I can't believe that the coaching staff do not recognize this and cut him loose more often. He sees the ice so well and is one of our best set up men in the offensive zone. We all had to watch as Martin ruined Subbans confidence by turning him into a strictly stay at home D man only. I realize that he had alot to learn about not taking chances at certain times during the games but he went from one extreme to another of almost zero offensive production. Subban is 100% on his game if he's rushing the puck and is the most exciting player in the game when he does this.....Surely a forward could cover for him when he breaks up the wing.
What do we have to lose ? CUT HIM LOOSE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.Who agrees ?
I don't really see the advantage to "cutting him loose". In today's trapping NHL trying to play firewagon or run and gun hockey is a sure way to give up a ton of goals while scoring a few more.

Subban is much more valuable picking his spots and taking advantage of the opportunities that are there rather than trying to be Bobby Orr and giving up 2 more goals against per game.

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