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03-07-2012, 04:59 PM
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Maple Leafs Top 20 prospects, Fall 2007

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ects_fall2007/

Top 20 at a glance

1. Justin Pogge, G
2. Jiri Tlusty, C
3. Nikolai Kulemin, RW
4. Robbie Earl, LW
5. Anton Stralman, D
6. Jeremy Williams, RW
7. Dmitri Vorobiev, D
8. Dale Mitchell, RW
9. Tyler Ruegsegger, C
10. James Reimer, G
11. Matt Frattin, LW
12. Ben Winnett, LW
13. Phil Oreskovic, D
14. Brent Aubin, RW
15. Leo Komarov, C
16. Chad Rau, C
17. John Mitchell, C
18. Konstantin Volkov, RW
19. Juraj Mikus, D
20. Chris DiDomenico, C


How do you guys compare this list from 5 years ago against our own top 20 in 2012?

5 out of 20 made the NHL on a regular basis - from what I can I gather our current top 20 has up to 10 players who could become NHL regulars

Does this list make you feel any better about where we have come under Burke?

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03-07-2012, 05:00 PM
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A lot better, but mostly because we're trading on hope here, because these kids haven't disappointed yet. Realistically, I'm sure most of the kids being groomed won't make it, and we still lack that elite elite centerpiece which was a problem back in 2007.

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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ects_fall2007/

Top 20 at a glance

1. Justin Pogge, G
2. Jiri Tlusty, C
3. Nikolai Kulemin, RW
4. Robbie Earl, LW
5. Anton Stralman, D
6. Jeremy Williams, RW
7. Dmitri Vorobiev, D
8. Dale Mitchell, RW
9. Tyler Ruegsegger, C
10. James Reimer, G
11. Matt Frattin, LW
12. Ben Winnett, LW
13. Phil Oreskovic, D
14. Brent Aubin, RW
15. Leo Komarov, C
16. Chad Rau, C
17. John Mitchell, C
18. Konstantin Volkov, RW
19. Juraj Mikus, D
20. Chris DiDomenico, C


How do you guys compare this list from 5 years ago against our own top 20 in 2012?

5 out of 20 made the NHL on a regular basis - from what I can I think our current top 20 has up to 10 players who could become NHL regulars

Does this list make you feel any better about where we have come under Burke?
What about John Mitchell?

As to the 10 who could make it, the operative word is "could".

Wait and see, as a number of fans in 2007 probably said the same thing...

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A lot better, but mostly because we're trading on hope here, because these kids haven't disappointed yet. Realistically, I'm sure most of the kids being groomed won't make it, and we still lack that elite elite centerpiece which was a problem back in 2007.
We won't lack that elite centerpiece once we get Galchenyuk. Imagine if we came 4th last and then won the lottery to pick Yakupov. He's not what we need but he is BPA. Or we could trade down to 4th or 3rd and get another 1st round pick and draft Galchenyuk.

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We won't lack that elite centerpiece once we get Galchenyuk. Imagine if we came 4th last and then won the lottery to pick Yakupov. He's not what we need but he is BPA. Or we could trade down to 4th or 3rd and get another 1st round pick and draft Galchenyuk.
Yep, that's definitely a cause for optimism. It's like we had a mostly positive season, then a brutal month and all of a sudden we might get a centerpiece. Looking on the bright side of a bad situation.

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Well Robbie Earl isn't our 4th best prospect now so, much better!

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Off topic... Nice to see Tlusty has established himself in Carolina. On pace for a sold 20 goal season. Just another reminder of how tough fans/media are on our youth!! Hopefully a higher percentage of our prospects see success here as opposed to us shiping them off for nothing. Even Jay Harrison is doing well elsewhere.

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Comparing the current prospect to back then the pedigree is higher this year (more first round picks). That said, the quality is similar - no real "elite talent" Both Kadri and Tlusty had big hope attached. Most were at best line 2/3 hopefuls.

We always fall in love with our prospects, but that list shows that only a small percentage make the NHL (20% for the 2007).

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Off topic... Nice to see Tlusty has established himself in Carolina. On pace for a sold 20 goal season. Just another reminder of how tough fans/media are on our youth!! Hopefully a higher percentage of our prospects see success here as opposed to us shiping them off for nothing. Even Jay Harrison is doing well elsewhere.
Yep, and Tlusty's only turning 24 in a week and a bit. He's also not as small as I believed him to be, at 6'0 and 209lbs.

I certainly hope we don't give up on Kadri. Just because players aren't superstars in their early 20s doesn't mean they're busts.

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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ects_fall2007/

Top 20 at a glance

1. Justin Pogge, G
2. Jiri Tlusty, C
3. Nikolai Kulemin, RW
4. Robbie Earl, LW
5. Anton Stralman, D
6. Jeremy Williams, RW

7. Dmitri Vorobiev, D
8. Dale Mitchell, RW
9. Tyler Ruegsegger, C
10. James Reimer, G
11. Matt Frattin, LW

12. Ben Winnett, LW
13. Phil Oreskovic, D
14. Brent Aubin, RW
15. Leo Komarov, C
16. Chad Rau, C
17. John Mitchell, C
18. Konstantin Volkov, RW
19. Juraj Mikus, D
20. Chris DiDomenico, C
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Comparing the current prospect to back then the pedigree is higher this year (more first round picks). That said, the quality is similar - no real "elite talent" Both Kadri and Tlusty had big hope attached. Most were at best line 2/3 hopefuls.

We always fall in love with our prospects, but that list shows that only a small percentage make the NHL (20% for the 2007).
55% made the NHL. All in bold.

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55% made the NHL. All in bold.
I think someone playing more than 1 full NHL season would be considered making it as a regular

I count 5 NHL regulars - playing a few NHL games is not making it in my opinion

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Not to mention Gunnarsson is not even on that list

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I think someone playing more than 1 full NHL season would be considered making it as a regular

I count 5 NHL regulars - playing a few NHL games is not making it in my opinion
I'm simply responding to what he wrote...

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I think someone playing more than 1 full NHL season would be considered making it as a regular

I count 5 NHL regulars - playing a few NHL games is not making it in my opinion
Semantics, but I'd say you're talking about making it in the NHL.

Technically, those other guys did make it to the NHL...they just didn't stay once they got there.

And to your question, tough to compare the past to the future. I have high hopes that a number of our current prospects will become NHL regulars (Kadri, Colborne, Gardiner, Frattin, Ashton, and maybe a couple out of Blacker/Percy/McKegg/Ross/Holzer/etc.), but there's really no way to judge right now how our current top 20 will turn out in 5 years.

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list is missing stalberg and gunnarsson.

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Not to mention Gunnarsson is not even on that list
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list is missing stalberg and gunnarsson.
Nope.

That is the list from HF in the fall of 2007.

So they're not missing from the list, they simply were not included.

Also, neither Gunnarsson nor Stalberg had been signed yet, so they could not be part of the list.

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Right.



Nope.

That is the list from HF in the fall of 2007.

So they're not missing from the list, they simply were not included.

Also, neither Gunnarsson nor Stalberg had been signed yet, so they could not be part of the list.
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whether they're signed or not has no bearing on whether they're listed as a prospect. I.e. chad rau was in college, same as stalberg, ruegsegger + several on that league playing overseas, such as vorobiev.

they were in the system, they just weren't on the top 20 per HF, they were on the Notables list or whatever.

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whether they're signed or not has no bearing on whether they're listed as a prospect. I.e. chad rau was in college, same as stalberg, ruegsegger + several on that league playing overseas, such as vorobiev.

they were in the system, they just weren't on the top 20 per HF, they were on the Notables list or whatever.
You're right.

I wrongly assumed that players on that list had to be part of the organization, as signed players.

Thanks for the info.

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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ects_fall2007/

Top 20 at a glance

1. Justin Pogge, G
2. Jiri Tlusty, C
3. Nikolai Kulemin, RW
4. Robbie Earl, LW
5. Anton Stralman, D
6. Jeremy Williams, RW
7. Dmitri Vorobiev, D
8. Dale Mitchell, RW
9. Tyler Ruegsegger, C
10. James Reimer, G
11. Matt Frattin, LW
12. Ben Winnett, LW
13. Phil Oreskovic, D
14. Brent Aubin, RW
15. Leo Komarov, C
16. Chad Rau, C
17. John Mitchell, C
18. Konstantin Volkov, RW
19. Juraj Mikus, D
20. Chris DiDomenico, C


How do you guys compare this list from 5 years ago against our own top 20 in 2012?

5 out of 20 made the NHL on a regular basis - from what I can I gather our current top 20 has up to 10 players who could become NHL regulars

Does this list make you feel any better about where we have come under Burke?
the years we drafted those players we had over 100 point seasons, the players were 2nd round and lower.

the players we have now have done nothing in the nhl, and if they make it there will be no top 6 players, 60 points or more.
so, the list from back then looks just as good as this years.

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the years we drafted those players we had over 100 point seasons, the players were 2nd round and lower.

the players we have now have done nothing in the nhl, and if they make it there will be no top 6 players, 60 points or more.
so, the list from back then looks just as good as this years.
Well yeah, the guys we have now are still prospects, those 07 guys aren't. We also traded away our first rounder each year. The top end talent might be close but the overall depth of 07 is laughable in comparison.

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That list just shows me that projecting prospects a lot of the time is a crapshoot.

A better crapshoot than the entry draft but not by much.

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I like the current list better. The forwards in 2007 were undersized and not particularly good skaters either. Too many forwards who could never make an NHL team permanently on the 3rd or 4th lines.

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Top 20 at a glance

1. Justin Pogge, G
2. Jiri Tlusty, C
3. Nikolai Kulemin, RW
4. Robbie Earl, LW
5. Anton Stralman, D
6. Jeremy Williams, RW
7. Dmitri Vorobiev, D
8. Dale Mitchell, RW
9. Tyler Ruegsegger, C
10. James Reimer, G
11. Matt Frattin, LW
12. Ben Winnett, LW
13. Phil Oreskovic, D
14. Brent Aubin, RW
15. Leo Komarov, C
16. Chad Rau, C
17. John Mitchell, C
18. Konstantin Volkov, RW
19. Juraj Mikus, D
20. Chris DiDomenico, C


How do you guys compare this list from 5 years ago against our own top 20 in 2012?

5 out of 20 made the NHL on a regular basis - from what I can I gather our current top 20 has up to 10 players who could become NHL regulars

Does this list make you feel any better about where we have come under Burke?
It doesn't matter if it was Burke or not. Fact is any GM would have 5 years of drafting from 2007-2012. That's alot of draft picks. Maybe we would even have better ones considering the Kessel trade. This doesn't prove anything positive regarding Burke.

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