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I posted this in the Oilers trade talk thread and it seemed pretty split among whether or not we'd do it.
Hypothetically, if we ended up with 1st overall:
To LAK: 1st overall, Gagner
To EDM: Kopitar, Voynov
Rumours of Sutter and Kopitar not meshing well, as well as Carter and Richards being a fine 1-2 punch down the middle got me thinking about this. LA has always coveted an impact winger and Yakupov will surely be that. As well, they'd have additional cap room if they wanted to get in on the Suter sweepstakes. A guess at what both teams top 6 would look like:
EDM
Hall-RNH-Eberle
MPS-Kopitar-Hemsky
LA
Yakupov-Carter-Williams
Gagner-Richards-Brown
Thoughts?
Counter
To Kings
RNH MPS and this years first
To Oilers
Kopitar and our 5th.
I mean you don't honestly think that you could get Kopitar for Gagne and a top 5 pick do you?
I know this is going to sound crazy but a lot of Kings fans right now would hesitate to even give you just Voynov for the 1st overall. He's that valuable to LA currently, not only due to his skill, age and good, two-way play style but also for his low cap hit.
Carter for Voracek and 8th overall wasn't a "what if"
But the Oilers won't do this because they are committed to doing their rebuild properly, and I hope they don't pull a move like this.
The Kings won't do this because that would leave either Carter or Richards as their #1 centre and that has "Fail" all over it.
Voracek had played 3 full NHL seasons at the time of that trade. You can argue that he hadn't reached his potential and all, but he had still proven he could play at the NHL level. Same goes for Richards and Schenn and Simmonds. Simmonds had proven he was an NHL player and Schenn hadn't looked horrible in his handful of games. Philly also wanted out of those contracts which makes a difference. There hasn't been anything saying the Kings want out of Kopitar's contract. Yakupov is still an unknown quality at the NHL level. Philly did take a gamble because they went with younger players, but at least they had played some at the NHL level. This deal is asking the Kings to completely gamble that Yakupov lives up to the hype. That's not the type of gamble you take with your #1 center.
I know this is going to sound crazy but a lot of Kings fans right now would hesitate to even give you just Voynov for the 1st overall. He's that valuable to LA currently, not only due to his skill, age and good, two-way play style but also for his low cap hit.
- R
Finally, a response actually worth something. I apologize for undervaluing Voynov, guess I don't know enough about him. Adding him and Gagner I thought was equaling things out as I figured Kopitar was maybe slightly more valuable than Yakupov. I had heard the scouting reports that he is very much in the mould of Lubo, hadn't realized he's considered to already be there (or at least that's what I'm getting from you). I'd gladly keep Gagner to play wing/trade in another deal for a Dman. I read one LAK poster say he'd consider just Kopitar for Yakupov.
Suppose my post will be followed by 9 more people letting me know the Oilers don't have first overall. Maybe I should add a link to Webster's dictionary in case there's still some confusion about hypotheticals (which is more or less what the trade forum is predicated on).
You dont think we would give up RNH and this years first for Kopitar and a 5th do you ? I hope that counter was sarcasm
It wasn't a Kings fan who made this proposal nor is it the Kings who want to deal Kopitar.
You might want to take a look at how he has and continues to rank among the top 8 centers in the game since he has entered the league before you offer up unrealistic deals for star players ya know?
If you want Kopitar it is going to take your first plus RNH plus at least something else significant enough to make us want to deal our star established always among the top ten centers in the game who just turned 24 and is signed to a fair contract for the next few years.
I mean why would the Kings, a team who is doing everything it can to win the cup now trade away one of the top young centers in the game for a draft pick and a much much much much lesser player let alone through in one of the best young PMD's in the game today?
I mean it would honestly take RNH plus a player like MPS or Omark plus your first to pry away a player like Kopitar from the Kings for it to be close to fair. Without even close to having us add Voynov.
The truth hurts a little I guess but better to get it up front.
No offence or anything but the original offer isn't even close to fair value, not by a mile.
L.A says no, Edmonton likely drafts #2 and Edmonton needs to send salary the other way otherwise they'll be screwed down the road if they're going to fix their blueline, I think.
Finally, a response actually worth something. I apologize for undervaluing Voynov, guess I don't know enough about him. Adding him and Gagner I thought was equaling things out as I figured Kopitar was maybe slightly more valuable than Yakupov. I had heard the scouting reports that he is very much in the mould of Lubo, hadn't realized he's considered to already be there (or at least that's what I'm getting from you). I'd gladly keep Gagner to play wing/trade in another deal for a Dman. I read one LAK poster say he'd consider just Kopitar for Yakupov.
Suppose my post will be followed by 9 more people letting me know the Oilers don't have first overall. Maybe I should add a link to Webster's dictionary in case there's still some confusion about hypotheticals (which is more or less what the trade forum is predicated on).
If you made this proposal before Johnson went to CBJ for Carter, then the proposed deal is much closer in value for LA. But still, for a young #1 center, a team in the conference will have to overpay by a lot. And by a lot I mean RNH and the #1 overall (if Edmonton won the lottery or finished last and just kept #1) for Kopitar and maybe a good D prospect like Forbort.
It wasn't a Kings fan who made this proposal nor is it the Kings who want to deal Kopitar.
You might want to take a look at how he has and continues to rank among the top 8 centers in the game since he has entered the league before you offer up unrealistic deals for star players ya know?
If you want Kopitar it is going to take your first plus RNH plus at least something else significant enough to make us want to deal our star established always among the top ten centers in the game who just turned 24 and is signed to a fair contract for the next few years.
I mean why would the Kings, a team who is doing everything it can to win the cup now trade away one of the top young centers in the game for a draft pick and a much much much much lesser player let alone through in one of the best young PMD's in the game today?
I mean it would honestly take RNH plus a player like MPS or Omark plus your first to pry away a player like Kopitar from the Kings for it to be close to fair. Without even close to having us add Voynov.
The truth hurts a little I guess but better to get it up front.
No offence or anything but the original offer isn't even close to fair value, not by a mile.
The OP was bad, no way that gets even close to Kopitar but there is no way just Kopitar gets you RNH, our first (probably top 3) and MPS. I am a big Kopitar fan and i realize he is valued high in LA but IMO if the asking price was actually RHN, First, and MPS i'd pass in a heartbeat and not look back.
The OP was bad, no way that gets even close to Kopitar but there is no way just Kopitar gets you RNH, our first (probably top 3) and MPS. I am a big Kopitar fan and i realize he is valued high in LA but IMO if the asking price was actually RHN, First, and MPS i'd pass in a heartbeat and not look back.
That's true but not relevant to this post. This proposal is to get Kopitar out of LA to Edmonton. So you don't have an option to pass...your team is the one making the proposal. We, LA, would pass if the price is not right and you already said as much so that's that.
That's true but not relevant to this post. This proposal is to get Kopitar out of LA to Edmonton. So you don't have an option to pass...your team is the one making the proposal. We, LA, would pass if the price is not right and you already said as much so that's that.
- R
Some one countered the OP with RHN, a first, MPS for Kopitar and a fifth, I was just saying thats as unlikely as the OP.
The OP was bad, no way that gets even close to Kopitar but there is no way just Kopitar gets you RNH, our first (probably top 3) and MPS. I am a big Kopitar fan and i realize he is valued high in LA but IMO if the asking price was actually RHN, First, and MPS i'd pass in a heartbeat and not look back.
I agree with you to a point.
IF we were to move Kopitar we would only do it for a significant upgrade to one of our top 3 plus an something so significant that we would become willing to move one of the top 8 centers in the NHL who is 24 and signed to a reasonable long term deal.
We would want your first (a top 3 seems about right) RNH (a player who may in time fill Kopitars role) and a winger to upgrade our top 6. MPS is the only guy I can see doing that with the exception of the long shot Omark.
My point is that we would in no way trade Kopitar for anything less than a true proven upgarde top our top 3 plus a couple of assets that would make it impossible to say no.
So yes it would take RMH MPS plus your first to make us gamble by giving up Kopitar.
So Kings fans really believe that it would take RNH, Yakupov, Paajarvi/Omark for Kopitar? Thats the most hilarious thing I've ever read on this board.
Paajarvi is looking like the next Nino Nidorieter (butchered that), and Omark hasn't shown much yet.
Yakupov and RNH for Kopitar seems fair vaule wise but I would hope LA would not do it.
I posted this in the Oilers trade talk thread and it seemed pretty split among whether or not we'd do it.
Hypothetically, if we ended up with 1st overall:
To LAK: 1st overall, Gagner
To EDM: Kopitar, Voynov
Rumours of Sutter and Kopitar not meshing well, as well as Carter and Richards being a fine 1-2 punch down the middle got me thinking about this. LA has always coveted an impact winger and Yakupov will surely be that. As well, they'd have additional cap room if they wanted to get in on the Suter sweepstakes. A guess at what both teams top 6 would look like:
EDM
Hall-RNH-Eberle
MPS-Kopitar-Hemsky
LA
Yakupov-Carter-Williams
Gagner-Richards-Brown
Thoughts?
No one from the kings would do this.
Kopitar alone is worth more than 1st overall and Gagner.
If you made this proposal before Johnson went to CBJ for Carter, then the proposed deal is much closer in value for LA. But still, for a young #1 center, a team in the conference will have to overpay by a lot. And by a lot I mean RNH and the #1 overall (if Edmonton won the lottery or finished last and just kept #1) for Kopitar and maybe a good D prospect like Forbort.
- R
That is ****ing ridiculous. RNH - as a scrawny 18yr old rook - is already producing at the same clip as Kopitar this year (.85ppg). RNH will own Kopitar in a few years. Then you ask for a first as well???? I understand that you may not want to move him in conference, etc., but RNH will easily be an 85+pt player in this league, maybe as early as next year. Call me when Kopitar gets there.
