Value of: Nucks-Leafs (Schenn/Schneider)

[Lonny Bohonos]

Originally Posted by Habsfanatical

How far away is Kevin Connauton from being ready for some seasoning in the bigs? IMO that's who's going to replace Salo but I haven't heard much about Connauton this year, update?

I'd say he gets some call ups for sure next year. Obviously depending on training camp he may even make the team.

The knock on him is his defense but he's improved that a ton this year.

Strangely he's also shown some toughness and has a few scraps as well.

He's very good on offense as often can be seen driving the offense. Plus he's got a hell of a shot.

[birddog*]

Originally Posted by Nuckles37

Cant see the Canucks wanting a bottom pairing with a combined cap hit of $7.8 mil.
I find it funny how the Canucks have to add Schroeder and their 1st. With Hodgson gone, I think Schroeder wont be moved any time soon.

You're the same guy that said Hodgson would never be moved. I remember that.

[2 Chainz]

Originally Posted by wedge

tbh I'm starting to find him underated.

Probably because he's getting scratched so he's not able to make hilarious mistakes.

[GCM]

This is bad for both sides.


No to most of your proposals.

Schroeder is putting it over the top.

If you think Kadri > Schroeder then why don't you just keep Kadri?


If you want to make a deal around Schneider and Schenn then keep it around them and only add small pieces accordingly. You're over complicating it too much.

[DJOpus]

There is nothing other than high draft picks and Kadri that the Canucks would want from the Leafs.

Kadri + 1st for Schneider - I guess that would work otherwise, I don't think there is anything the Canucks would want from the Leafs (assuming some pieces such as Gardiner are untouchable).

[Caius Merlyn]

Originally Posted by VeteranNetPresence

schenn is so overrated- no to this deal

schneider is so overrated- no to this deal

[jameswrjobe53]

Originally Posted by Caius Merlyn

schneider is so overrated- no to this deal

Sorry Schneiders to TBL


Cory Schneider


DET 1st
TBL 2nd
+?

[Whydidijoin*]

No from the Leafs.

Picks are essentially a wash. Don't want to trade Schenn, especially to take steps backward. Not convinced that Schneider would be that much better than Reimer on the Leafs.

[kthsn]

Gillis would probably like a young defensemen signed to an ELC.

Someone who is mobile and can play in Vancouver's system would be appealing, Schenn while a nice piece doesn't seem like a Canuck type player.

The player Gillis would look at would be Gardiner, if Leafs don't want to give him up the Canucks would be fine holding onto Cory.

Players like Bozak, Reimer, Franson while all having value don't add that much to a depth filled Nucks roster.

[birddog*]

I'd like to see Schneider play in front of a crappy defense. He would be exposed.

[ginner classic]

Originally Posted by birddog

I'd like to see Schneider play in front of a crappy defense. He would be exposed.

You might just get your wish. There are about 10 teams hoping to see him in front of their crappy defence I am sure.

[pooleboy]

Originally Posted by The Velvet Hammer

ok, understandable.

What if you do

Franson, Blacker(good puck moving prospect, probably #2 or3 behind holzer for readiness), 2nd, one of kadri/colborne/aston ?

for

Schneider, Schroeder, 1st.. ? plus we will take salary if we have to...

enlighten me on why we need another goaltender? let Reimer settle back in next season and we will do just fine. and there is zero chance i would do schenn for schneider straight up so nty.

[IBLeaf*]

No thanks from the Leafs. We don't need a back up goalie for our promising young defenceman.

[ItsAllPartOfThePlan]

Originally Posted by birddog

I'd like to see Schneider play in front of a crappy defense. He would be exposed.

Well, he won't end up in Toronto for that package...that's for sure.

[bobbyflex]

Kadri for Schneider

[The Velvet Hammer]

lol neither team likes the deal, so i guess that means its fair

kadri(8.0C HF) + Reimer(2 years @ 1.8) for Schneider(RFA) + Schroeder(7.0C HF)...


that fact is toronto has to move a goalie to get a goalie...

[NFITO]

Originally Posted by Habsfanatical

How far away is Kevin Connauton from being ready for some seasoning in the bigs? IMO that's who's going to replace Salo but I haven't heard much about Connauton this year, update?

why would you think that Connauton is the type of dman to replace Salo? He is nothing like him. It's like saying that Schroeder is going to replace Kesler.

Connauton is a left handed, left side, offensive dman, who's good on the PP, but still has to learn the defensive game and doesn't bring a whole lot of stability to the defense. Salo is a right handed, right side, defensive dman, who's also good on the PP, but brings a sound defensive game, and is probably the Canucks more stable dman.

Tanev is the guy who's going to replace Salo... he's the calming influence, low-risk, defensive presence that Salo is. He has a lot more in common with Salo than Connauton even though he's not a PP player at all.

When Connauton is ready (will likely get call-ups next season), he's going to be fighting with Sauve to first replace Rome/Alberts as the team's #7 guys, then move into the 3rd pairing left side to take over from Ballard. Depends on what the Canucks need (offensive PPQB in Connauton, or defensive physical shutdown type in Sauve) will determine who gets that spot IMO.

Connauton however is nothing like Salo, and he's also not even close to taking over a top-4 spot (especially on the right side) that Salo will be vacating soon (maybe as early as next year). Tanev is developing on track to take over that spot.

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As far as the OP (and the other suggestions) here, I don't see how this fits the Canucks needs. There are assets I'd be interested in though from the Leafs.

1) Ashton... not sure if the Leafs will trade him after just acquiring him, but we could probably still use another right wing prospect, even after the Kassian acquisition.

2) Colborne... not interested at all in Kadri, as he'll be the same fit problem that Cody was (and IMO the same problem that Schroeder will be as well), but Colborne is the type of center we could use in that role... an actual big bodied (6'5", 215lbs) center who can be used in a defensive role is a good fit for the Canucks... can be brought up from a 4th line role and developed into a shutdown center.

3) Kulemin... even with the depth of wingers on the Canucks, I always felt this guy's game fits the Canucks style perfectly... a 2-way winger who can play either wing, is very good defensively and brings some sandpaper overall. He's a much better fit on the Canucks than someone like Raymond.

Not sure if any of the Leafs defenders fit the Canucks needs anymore... Schenn is the only one really, and concerns about his footspeed and his lack of development on the defensive side make him questionable now at that cap hit to fit this system... he's basically a bottom-pairing dman with a $3.6mill cap hit who's not the most mobile defender around.... I think the Canucks try and address their defensive needs elsewhere. But a deal based around Colborne+ makes more sense IMO.

[vanwest]

The objective of any trade should be to make both teams better. I can see the value for the Leafs but not for the Canucks. We don't really need Reimer.
I'd really prefer a deal where we package Schneider for one key piece, maybe a young defenceman or forward.

[Oates2Neely]

Luke Schenn value has plummeted this season. Leafs would be silly to trade him now while his value is at an all-time low. Schneider at the moment is more valuable than a Luke Schenn who cant seem to find a permanent spot on Toronto's blue line.

[Go Wings]

Originally Posted by jpallday

No thanks from the Leafs. We don't need a back up goalie for our promising young defenceman.

Backup goalie Oh leafs fans you foolishness never ceases to amaze me.

[canadiensnation]

Originally Posted by Go Wings

Backup goalie Oh leafs fans you foolishness never ceases to amaze me.

so true

[vancanucks16]

This is one of those deals that cannot even be massaged into something that works out (NHL12 term)

bad trade for the Canucks

[xtra]

if you want Schneider you better be prepared to give up Gardnier +

[TheHockeySanctuary]

Originally Posted by Go Wings

Backup goalie Oh leafs fans you foolishness never ceases to amaze me.

....Is he not a backup goalie? If you think it's fair to call Schenn a "bottom pairing defenceman" which he is at the moment, then Schnieder is a backup goalie..

[TheHockeySanctuary]

Originally Posted by xtra

if you want Schneider you better be prepared to give up Gardnier +

Hahahahahahah, you think we are going to give up a solid top 4 puck moving defenceman who is playing amazing in his rookie year, probably will be top 2 potential soon enough for a goalie who has never been a legitimate starter? Because he plays behind a good team in Vancouver, no doubt his stats are a bit inflated, he is a good goalie I've seen it, but I wouldnt be prepared to give up Gardiner alone for Schneider.