I think it's interesting that the incident is a month old but Cherry waited until the night before his 2 part life-story aired to create this controversy.
No self promotion there....
Couple that with Burke being able to completely remove all the attention from his new coach and free falling team to his "problems" with the media, and it seems like a win-win.
Couple that with Burke being able to completely remove all the attention from his new coach and free falling team to his "problems" with the media, and it seems like a win-win.
Cherry did it to defend Maclean
If Burke didn't respond to Maclean's question the way he did I don't think Cherry would have gone off
Maclean asked Burke about Ontario players and Burke got his back up and kind of got snippy with Maclean. As soon as I saw that interview I knew Cherry would go off on Burke
yeah so Don and Ron made it public in the interest of self-defence and ratings. If someone complains about me my boss informs me of the complaint. You understand, right? Sometimes I am admonished and sometimes merely made aware, case depending.
Do you have an issue with informing the employees of a complaint? Do you know what was said by CBC personnel if anything to Don and Ron and in what manner (admonishing and merely informing). You also realize that Burke spoke to Ron about it, right, knowing full well it had the potential to blow-up??
There is nothing wrong with your boss informing you about a complaint. If you took it upon yourself to confront and verbally attack the person complaining and made it a public issue then you would most likely not have your job anymore.
in this case a misrepresentation of the facts, or
an off the cuff remark made by ron maclean taken to an illogical extreme by a naive hfposter
Exactly.
Ron wilson didnt clap his hands! Ergo he hates canadian troups! Ergo he hates Canadians! Why is he coaching a Canadian team?!
Yea burke telling these "voices" to shut the **** up about these absurd accusations is a definite violation of freedom of speech. Im surprised he hasnt been sued yet!! Actually Im not, because he didnt impede freedom of speech, you dimwits. Cherry's "ron doesnt respect the canadian military" were unjustified accusations. Funny how some of you actually believed that fictional crap.
Maclean asked Burke about Ontario players and Burke got his back up and kind of got snippy with Maclean. As soon as I saw that interview I knew Cherry would go off on Burke
MacLean asked follow up question after Burke brought it up while answering a different question.
Maclean asked Burke about Ontario players and Burke got his back up and kind of got snippy with Maclean. As soon as I saw that interview I knew Cherry would go off on Burke
Wasn't aware of the MacLean / Burke interview. Got it.
I 100% blame it on Cherry and the CBC. Burke made private complaints, and you would've known nothing about this had CBC not leaked it. Even after that, it would've been a short-lived issue had Cherry not dedicated an entire Coach's Corner towards ranting about it.
The only mention Burke has made of it was during that radio interview where he was asked about it, he made a couple comments and that was it, there was no bravado in those comments either. So I don't understand how this is all of a sudden Burke feeding his need for attention.
What are you blaming 100% on Cherry? The fact that we now know about it? Cherry told the world about it, so of course 100% of the reason we know about it is because of him.
The question is was he correct to do so? I (and a lot of others) believe that Don was. What possible negatives could come from telling people (many of whom care about Cherry and his show) that someone tried to get you censored and fired?
The petty and whiny one in this whole scenario and the one who should be embarrassed is Don Cherry.
Moose - good news. I called your boss and complained about you. You're getting fired, but everyone was really happy that you didn't get upset (read: get petty and whiny) about it. Keep up the good work.
Moose - good news. I called your boss and complained about you. You're getting fired, but everyone was really happy that you didn't get upset (read: get petty and whiny) about it. Keep up the good work.
I'm self employed, didn't receive your call.
I was referring to Cherry's petty and whiny behavior that started this whole thing.
Maclean asked Burke about Ontario players and Burke got his back up and kind of got snippy with Maclean. As soon as I saw that interview I knew Cherry would go off on Burke
Burke is making it too easy for Cherry/Maclean to expose him and his double speak. This week Burke hanging up on a radio interviewer asking Burke if felt his job was secure, resulted in calling the reporter ignorant in the process before hanging up, is more prime target material for coaches corner this weekend.
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I was referring to Cherry's petty and whiny behavior that started this whole thing.
How convenient.
What whiny and petty behaviour was that? I thought Burke was upset about how critical Cherry was of the Leafs (including Wilson and Burke). I fail to see how that is "whiny" or "petty".
Then again, I usually expect you to show up in these threads to defend Burke. So I guess I shouldn't dig too deeply.
What whiny and petty behaviour was that? I thought Burke was upset about how critical Cherry was of the Leafs (including Wilson and Burke). I fail to see how that is "whiny" or "petty".
Then again, I usually expect you to show up in these threads to defend Burke. So I guess I shouldn't dig too deeply.
I'm not here to educate you, if you don't know what Cherry was saying about Wilson then there is no point in you even being in a discussion about it.
Can't help but wonder how many people here would be up in arms if Burke went out and tried to get Glenn Healy's ass fired - now *that* guy always criticizes the Leafs... it's a wonder he didn't try that yet
Can't help but wonder how many people here would be up in arms if Burke went out and tried to get Glenn Healy's ass fired - now *that* guy always criticizes the Leafs... it's a wonder he didn't try that yet
Odds are if Healey used his position to attack someone in the organizations character he would and rightly so.
This thread is all about freedom of speech. Burke is free to call people in the media imbeciles, stupid, gutless and idiots. And he has. Also I'm sure I missed a few of his diatribes.
You apparently don't understand "freedom of speech" versus "defamation".
I'm not here to educate you, if you don't know what Cherry was saying about Wilson then there is no point in you even being in a discussion about it.
Run along and either learn something or drop it.
I will educate you then......I am sure that Cherry has not call you and disclosed his reasons for all of this....but it is ok....oh wise one for you to make assumptions and attack anyone with a opinion contrary to your own.
If this whole incident is as it appears and Wilson failed to show the Canadian Soldiers the respect that they deserve then Wilson deserved everything that he got. IMHO The Canadian forces deserve our respect even if you do not believe they do!
Now as far as Burke goes he talks a good game about being a man and calls others gutless but not approaching Cherry before going behind his back and request that the CBC muzzle him or fire him ....is gutless or like Cherry has called others a little Puke!
I know that you will reply with a sarcastic remark as you are well know to do....but save your energy and this board that bandwidth and keep it to your self!
It's Grapes job as a critic. Burke's job is to manage the leafs, not complain about the critics. That's the problem with the leafs. Burke is spending all his time complaining about the media and advancing Hockey USA's agenda rather than improving the leafs.
Cherry's job is to discuss hockey, not personally attack people, unless you are of the opinion taxpayer's money is being spent to purposefully employ someone to slander on their behalf?
I will educate you then......I am sure that Cherry has not call you and disclosed his reasons for all of this....but it is ok....oh wise one for you to make assumptions and attack anyone with a opinion contrary to your own.
If this whole incident is as it appears and Wilson failed to show the Canadian Soldiers the respect that they deserve then Wilson deserved everything that he got. IMHO The Canadian forces deserve our respect even if you do not believe they do!
Now as far as Burke goes he talks a good game about being a man and calls others gutless but not approaching Cherry before going behind his back and request that the CBC muzzle him or fire him ....is gutless or like Cherry has called others a little Puke!
I know that you will reply with a sarcastic remark as you are well know to do....but save your energy and this board that bandwidth and keep it to your self!
You apparently don't understand "freedom of speech" versus "defamation".
And you do not understand the law....your opinion of a person is not punishable under the law....either slander or Libel laws.
What is open for a Libel or Slander suit is when you are present information as a fact .....I think you are an idiot, Gutless, puke a-hole etc....is not punishable, as it is my opinion and I can express it anyway I want.
Example: I think you are a Drug addict. No Case as it is an opinion. Blank is a drug addict. If the information is false then you have a case. If the information is true you do not.
And you do not understand the law....your opinion of a person is not punishable under the law....either slander or Libel laws.
What is open for a Libel or Slander suit is when you are present information as a fact .....I think you are an idiot, Gutless, puke a-hole etc....is not punishable, as it is my opinion and I can express it anyway I want.
I think you may want to look into that. I posted a nice piece on it yesterday. What Cherry said is borderline. A court would not take it forward but the fact he is tiptoeing on that - which has nothing to do with his job - is more than enough reason to take him to task on it.
