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St.Louis wouldn't do this but don't they have a few players they need to re-sign at the end of the season and with no owner, they aren't the biggest of cap spenders.
Yes, I said that. If you read my next post after that you would have seen how I admitted I was a bit too liberal with the phrase.
I disagree with your assessment of Shatty not being a 1st pairing defenseman, though. The kid can flat out play and he would be groomed to be a top pairing defenseman on a lot of other teams, including the Oilers. Being behind Petro on the depth chart kind of screws with that in St. Louis though. In that context, a trade of Shatty for Hall/Eberle could take shape. However, Edmonton would certainly be receiving one or two extra pieces along with Shatty.
What I could see happening:
Shatty + One of the top 4 Blues wingers (same side as whichever Oiler comes our way) + One of our top 5 prospects
for
One of Hall/Eberle + 3rd pairing defenseman type
It's a pretty steep price for either team but being a GM is about trading from strength to address weakness.
as much as it would pain me to send away hall i'd think long and hard about
The guy I want from Edmonton is Anton Lander, but unless Edmonton's first rounder and Ladislav Smid come with him, the Oilers aren't getting Shattenkirk.
easily worse than OP.
i can understand that the blues dont want it, but calling it garbage is stupid.
St.Louis wouldn't do this but don't they have a few players they need to re-sign at the end of the season and with no owner, they aren't the biggest of cap spenders.
Yeah, the ownership situation means we have a strict internal budget, which is another reason Shattenkirk wouldn't be moved. Another year at $1.3m means we'd almost certainly be taking on salary in any deal.
as much as it would pain me to send away hall i'd think long and hard about
oshie + shattenkirk + tarasenko/cole
for
hall + potter
I think Perron would make more sense for both teams than Oshie. Perron's style would fit better with the Oilers and Oshie's two-way play fits better with the Blues game plan. Not to mention that makes it a LW for LW trade which is a fairly important detail. Man, it would hurt as a Blues fan to see those pieces go.
Not even close from a Blues point of view. Most people think Tarasenko will be pretty close to Hall.
As a Blues fan, I feel you there but what we're trading for is as close to a sure thing game changer for many years as there is. Tarasenko hasn't played an NHL game yet so there is still a fair amount of uncertainty. Personally, I think Edmonton might just choose to eliminate the question of whether or not he stays permanently in North America and just ask for Schwartz instead.
As a Blues fan, I feel you there but what we're trading for is as close to a sure thing game changer for many years as there is. Tarasenko hasn't played an NHL game yet so there is still a fair amount of uncertainty. Personally, I think Edmonton might just choose to eliminate the question of whether or not he stays permanently in North America and just ask for Schwartz instead.
Not even close to worth the risk of losing Oshie and Shattenkirk. Also Hall as talented as he is scares me. He plays a reckless style a lot that will lead to injuries.
As one of the top teams in the league you just don't trade an important top 6 forward, top 4 defenseman and a top prospect unless the playoffs show there is a glaring need for a player like Hall.
Not even close to worth the risk of losing Oshie and Shattenkirk. Also Hall as talented as he is scares me. He plays a reckless style a lot that will lead to injuries.
Fair enough. I proposed the trade and I'm not even sure I'd do it either, haha. But we're just here to kick around ideas and I think this is a pretty compelling one. The value is at least somewhat close (in my personal opinion) and attempts to address both teams needs. It's tough from the STL perspective but if we're serious about upgrading to a star winger then we're going to have to pay a steep price.
I don't envy the GMs in the league...these kinds of decisions are difficult to make and they have to be pushing these ideas around daily. And it isn't just for fun like how we do it here.
Yeah, the ownership situation means we have a strict internal budget, which is another reason Shattenkirk wouldn't be moved. Another year at $1.3m means we'd almost certainly be taking on salary in any deal.
At $1.3m I can't see him being moved. Especially when I'd consider Theo Peckham a downgrade. If things get tight I could see St.Louis moving Stewart & maybe Jackman if they needed to.
At $1.3m I can't see him being moved. Especially when I'd consider Theo Peckham a downgrade. If things get tight I could see St.Louis moving Stewart & maybe Jackman if they needed to.
Jackman is a UFA. Also we have $7.5 million coming off the books next year in contracts in Cola, Arnott, Langs....
We would need to replace Jackman or keep him and most fans would like to resign Arnott. Raises to Oshie, Perron will likely not be large.
Not even close from a Blues point of view. Most people think Tarasenko will be pretty close to Hall.
Are there people who think that Tarasenko will be close to Hall in their respective primes and most people think this? I guess anything is possible but i would bet against it.
However, i can understand why the Blues wouldn't do the deal..... Shatty+Tarasenko+Oshie is a huge price to pay in any deal.
Are there people who think that Tarasenko will be close to Hall in their respective primes and most people think this? I guess anything is possible but i would bet against it.
However, i can understand why the Blues wouldn't do the deal..... Shatty+Tarasenko+Oshie is a huge price to pay in any deal.
Yeah I think a lot of people think Tarasenko has 35 plus goal PPG potential. I think Hall could get 40 plus goals and PPG potential. If you watch Tarasenko play he's a special talent as is Hall. Hall may get around 10 point more at both players prime. So I would call it pretty close. Tarasenko got traded and has been given 4th line minutes because his new team didn't want to disrupt the chemistry of their top 3 lines but is averaging a PPG in the KHL playoffs playing under 10 mins a game.
Are there people who think that Tarasenko will be close to Hall in their respective primes and most people think this? I guess anything is possible but i would bet against it.
However, i can understand why the Blues wouldn't do the deal..... Shatty+Tarasenko+Oshie is a huge price to pay in any deal.
He's looking pretty good in the KHL, we shall see. Way too much to give up in a trade right now, no sense in doing it since we are playing so well.
Are there people who think that Tarasenko will be close to Hall in their respective primes and most people think this? I guess anything is possible but i would bet against it.
However, i can understand why the Blues wouldn't do the deal..... Shatty+Tarasenko+Oshie is a huge price to pay in any deal.
Tarasenko's numbers and overall game in the KHL compare very favorably to players like Malkin and Ovechkin when they were in the RSL. He has been playing against men since he was 16 and finished 7th in goals for the season, usually not playing on top lines if I understand correctly. Blues fans are incredibly excited and optimistic.
I agree with you though, that is a huge price. The more I think about it, the less I think the Blues can afford to give a package like that up. We'll have to find our game changing forward somewhere else. We'll probably just have to hope he is in-house with a name like Tarasenko, Schwartz, or Rattie. Or Stewart...that's what we were hoping he would be before this season started.
Not even close from a Blues point of view. Most people think Tarasenko will be pretty close to Hall.
ok for 1 nobdoy knows if tarasenko will play in the NHL
and secondly this came about from a blues fan saying
shat + top 4 winger + top 5 prospect
for
hall + bottom 3 d
so naturally if i was tambelline i'd ask for the best top 4 winger and best prospect IMO
although we can agree that this trade wouldn't happen in the real world as it would be a pr nightmare...can you imagine the backlash on the oil if they trade their first ever no 1 overall pick? and all the hype they've built up around him? dont see it happening
Taylor Hall is more valuable than any single piece on the Blues including Pietrangelo. You want Hall it's gonna cost you Petro+
i love hall just as much as the next guy, but please don't listen to this delusional oil fan...he is not an accurate represantation of the entire fanbase
if.....that's a BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG IF the oilers wanted to switch franchise players i see it as
petro >> hall
petro > eberle
maybe something like hall and "B" prospect or 2nd or 3rd rnd for petro
or
eberle for petro + cap dump (useless player that has negative value i.e. CAM FLIPPIN BARKER)
It would take overpayment to get Shattenkirk. Therefore the Blues wouldn't listen to anything less than Eberle (I'm not saying it's fair value, I know Eberle has more value. However, that's the type of overpayment that it would take).
Shattenkirk is the 2nd best defenseman on the team and the best player the Blues got from the EJ deal (and currently the best player in the deal, EJ has the potential to be better and most likely will be, but right now Shattenkirk is outplaying him)
liek i said please disregard "moilers" he's too biased and has homer glasses
although i LOVE the oil too
I love how I'm a homer who should be disregarded because I believe the 1st overall pick in 2010 who has done nothing but impress since his rookie year and projects to be a 40g 90point heart and soul face of our franchise. Maybe you should stop pandering to other fan bases. There's nothing wrong with taking pride in our own talent pal.
