The only thing Stamkos has over Datsyuk is a number in the goal column.
Stammer will never win the Selke (unless he pulls an Yzerman), will never have the in-game hands of Datsyuk (Kovalev who?), will never have the awareness and playmaking ability of Datsyuk, and will never have the hidden physical grittiness of Datsyuk.
He's an elite player, don't get me wrong, and probably will finish 1st or 2nd for the Art Ross this year. But when you're talking about intangibles - you know, that word this board loves to throw around - it DOES NOT get better than Datsyuk.
The only thing Stamkos has over Datsyuk is a number in the goal column.
Stammer will never win the Selke (unless he pulls an Yzerman), will never have the in-game hands of Datsyuk (Kovalev who?), will never have the awareness and playmaking ability of Datsyuk, and will never have the hidden physical grittiness of Datsyuk.
He's an elite player, don't get me wrong, and probably will finish 1st or 2nd for the Art Ross this year. But when you're talking about intangibles - you know, that word this board loves to throw around - it DOES NOT get better than Datsyuk.
Stamkos is the better player dont kid yourself. Look at the team Datsyuk has been surrounded by his whole career. Yes Datsyuk is unreal but at the moment Stamkos is above Datsyuk. Datsyuk is on pace for 22 goals over 82 games. Stamkos is on pace for 60 over 82 games. I dont care what intagibles he has, Stamkos's intangibles cant be that god awful to make up for a 40 goal gap.
Datsyuk is 10x more skilled then Stamkos... I have no problem saying that either. However game skillsets make a player. Stamkos as the sniper will always be more attractive then a defensive forward whose game is more of a playmaker.
Stamkos is the better player dont kid yourself. Look at the team Datsyuk has been surrounded by his whole career. Yes Datsyuk is unreal but at the moment Stamkos is above Datsyuk. Datsyuk is on pace for 22 goals over 82 games. Stamkos is on pace for 60 over 82 games. I dont care what intagibles he has, Stamkos's intangibles cant be that god awful to make up for a 40 goal gap.
Steven Stamkos has 81 points.
And is +6 (don't even give me **** about his linemates).
If we're talking about team ingredients, and you're not winning games because of a lack of pure firepower, then yeah, go get Stamkos.
If you're missing someone who makes every single person around them a better player and holds it down at both ends of the ice, Datsyuk is second to none.
Datsyuk is 10x more skilled then Stamkos... I have no problem saying that either.
Seriously? Stamkos is the better skater, much better shooter, positions himself in scoring areas like no other
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However game skillsets make a player. Stamkos as the sniper will always be more attractive then a defensive forward whose game is more of a playmaker.
Stamkos is much more than a sniper this ssn. His rounding out his game doesnt simply include being better defensively. He is much more versatile offensively.
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And is +6 (don't even give me **** about his linemates).
Look at Tampa's goal differential. +6 on that team is amazing.
For linemates why not? Stamkos has scored with anyone this year. Not just hot Purcell and St Louis now. He hasnt even played as much with St Louis (St Louis was injured for a bit and played with Vinny a lot).
There was literally a stretch during the ssn when Marty was out and Vinny wasnt producing where Stamkos was the Lightning's scoring and now with Vinny out again Stamkos is again doing this.
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He has 10 more assists.
He also has 32 less goals. There are 6 players this ssn including Stamkos with that many.
Well congratulations on your Brett Hull clone, then.
First are you comparing Stamkos to Brett Hull as an insult? Brett Hull at his best was better than anyone in the league today except maybe Crosby and prolly not even him.
Second they are stylistically more different than similar especially with Stamkos this ssn. Stamkos skates much better than Hull. Stamkos carries the puck more than Hull. Hull is perhaps the most underrated passer ever.
Healthy and at their best I take Datsyuk without hesitation, and I'm a Lightning fan.
The last two seasons when Datsyuk was healthy, he's been in the top 5 of the scoring race and the front-runner for the Selke.
And how can everybody already forget what he looked like in the playoffs last year? And the scary thing is that his hand/wrist wasn't even 100% during that stretch.
The last two seasons are a completely different matter though as Stamkos has improved a ton this ssn compared to before. The stats are similar but this is why stats are misleading. You could say though not as exaggerated as a lot on hfboards make it that Stamkos 09/10 was primarily a sniper and benefited from St Louis. That is clearly different now.
The last two seasons are a completely different matter though as Stamkos has improved a ton this ssn compared to before. The stats are similar but this is why stats are misleading. You could say though not as exaggerated as a lot on hfboards make it that Stamkos 09/10 was primarily a sniper and benefited from St Louis. That is clearly different now.
The last two seasons matter in showing exactly how good Datsyuk is when healthy (which the poll calls for).
I don't care how much improved Stamkos is this season (with similar stats as last season, mind you), he's still not as good as a healthy Datsyuk.
When healthy(which the poll calls for again), Datsyuk's been scoring at the same pace as Stamkos is right now while also being superior everywhere else on the ice.
And even if you take the better goal scorer between two guys who put up similar points, that doesn't account for the rest of the game, where you're talking about the most complete player in the world in Datsyuk.
And we still have to see Stamkos show this level of play during the playoffs.
Last postseason he was a -5 with 13pts (6 of them on the pp) during 18 games.
By comparison, Datsyuk was a +10 with 15pts (5 on the pp) during 11 games.
The last two seasons matter in showing exactly how good Datsyuk is when healthy (which the poll calls for).
I don't care how much improved Stamkos is this season (with similar stats as last season, mind you), he's still not as good as a healthy Datsyuk.
When healthy(which the poll calls for again), Datsyuk's been scoring at the same pace as Stamkos is right now while also being superior everywhere else on the ice.
And even if you take the better goal scorer between two guys who put up similar points, that doesn't account for the rest of the game, where you're talking about the most complete player in the world in Datsyuk.
And we still have to see Stamkos show this level of play during the playoffs.
Last postseason he was a -5 with 13pts (6 of them on the pp) during 18 games.
By comparison, Datsyuk was a +10 with 15pts (5 on the pp) during 11 games.
First youre just looking at stats way too much. Stamkos is much better this season even if puts up similar stats. Also if you look more closely at stats Stamkos has been by far the best even strength scorer in the game. 75% of his points are EV (compared to 65% of Datsyuk). That was Stamkos' first playoff against Datsyuk's best too. He was also not the player he is this year.
Stamkos is much better as a goalscorer than Datsyuk is as a playmaker and overall offensively Stamkos is a lot better. Yes Dats is better defensively but Stamkos has improved (previously he was a lot worse than Dats).
The homer in me voted Datsyuk. Stamkos is a greater physical specimen and is much younger. He has the best shot in the league, and is faster. I wouldn't say he is a better skater than Datsyuk. Being fast is definitely not as important as turning, pivoting and changing speeds. Having that breakout speed however will get you a ton of scoring chances and opportunities.
Datsyuk has a cerebral game that is far ahead of Stamkos' but that comes with years of experience. He is a better passer, not just in ability to pass, but the ability to hit teammates at the right time.
While Stamkos is the best in the league at being in the right place at the right time to score goals, Datsyuk is in the right place to set his teammate up, force the issue on the forecheck, and then cover in the defensive zone. If you go by these boards only, people will say defensive play is over rated. It really is just an easy way to "win" an argument between players like Datsyuk vs Stamkos or Malkin vs Datsyuk. In reality, Datsyuk is top 5 in every single square foot of ice. Stamkos will get there. There is no doubt in my mind that Stamkos will be an elite scorer and great defensive player as well.
I look at Yzerman and Modano. Both lights out offensively and superstars in the league. THen their coaches challenged them to play defense first and they started winning cups. That is when I will rank Stamkos above Datsyuk. Right now, it's Pavel.
Stamkos is the better skater, much better shooter, positions himself in scoring areas like no other
