What are Grafs' Cobra holders and runner like?

[Dreadnaut]

Hi folks.

So my vapors are up on ebay and should actually make me a net profit the way the bidding is going haha...

anyways.

Graf F60s look like a serious contender. They are dubbed the sucessor to 703/704s. Apparently these have a narrow heel and low volume which Im after.

I'm slightly concerned about the holder/runner. Ive always skated with E pros, which I believe is a neutral stance and an 11' radius blade.

Would anyone care to share their experience of Grafs - even if you've never switched I'd still like to know. My experience of TUUK lightspeeds weren't great, and although I can probably acclimatise to a new skating position, Id really prefer an E-pro sort of feel.

Some googling suggests the cobras are agressively positioned...is that much of a difference to e pros?

[Jarick]

Well...I've only been in Tuuk LS2's and Cobra 7000's. The Cobras feel stiffer slightly while the LS2's felt a big springy. Cobras are a little more forward pitched while LS2's are neutral. Cobras are 11' stock and LS2's 9'.

I had my Grafs profiled to neutral and 9' because that was more comfortable. Shouldn't be more than $40 for any shop to do that for you, which will be cheaper than swapping holders.

[hockeymass]

The Grafs are definitely going to be more forward pitched than any skates with E-Pros that you've used. You may want to look into getting E-Pros mounted on a Graf boot if you really like that neutral pitch.