Also, there IS more to hockey that points. That's why Datsyuk is in the conversation everytime with Crosby and Malkin AND now Stamkos (if he gets his act together, Ovechkin).
Yeah like i dont know there more then offense .But it seems you dont know anything but defense. Being a 50 goal goal scorer is being "one dimensional"
The defensive game is a good argument if the offense is close, in the case of Dats it usually is not.
Yeai exactly "PREFERENCE", i prefer some players over Datsyuk, but that doesent seem to fly here.I accept other proofs than goals, but usually for a forward how well he created offense is the best indicator about how good he was.Ofcourse defensive game is important, but when that said player is under ppg in his career and hasnt even broke 100 points once its pretty hard to put him on the level of Crosby, Malkin etc.Its just doesent close the gap.As unfortunate as his injury is, it doesent make his season any less overrated.He hasnt been the best player this season despite so many say so injured or not.Actually he wasnt voted the best player:He was voted the best at certain categories.Crosby won the best player poll which was after that despite missing like two years...As i said, theres never been absolutely anything controversial about him and he happens to be a great player and a nice guy so ofcourse everyone wants to be nice to him.hI think he is overrated because he is rated higher than he really is imo. I dont know why it it so hard to get
You have a horrible/trollish approach; and you know it.
I don't know it you have noticed, but it's just you who get's attacked. When there's a Datsyuk thread NON Red Wing fans are posting about YOU saying "what, no Saku11 yet."
Most people who disagree with where Datsyuk is in the tier system nowadays, they do it with tact. You? Not at all. You sir, have earned yourself a rep as a Dastyuk basher. It's your posts that have done it, not your opinion.
We get it. You think Datsyuk is overrated material, and Malkin is underrated material. Crosby doesn't get enough attention. Maybe don't go into every single Dastyuk thread and discredit the man for the sake of discrediting him?
Overrated:
Brooks Laich
Milan Lucic
Phil Kessel
Eric Staal
James Neal
Patrick Kane
David Krejci
Rick Nash
Underrated:
Loui Eriksson
Jamie Benn
Michael Ryder
Kari Lehtonen
Radim Vrbata
Ray Whitney
Lauri Korpikoski
Logan Couture
Joe Pavelski
Martin Erat
Max Pacioretty
Erik Cole
Jordan Eberle
Blake Wheeler
Evander Kane
Wayne Simmonds
Yeah like i dont know there more then offense .But it seems you dont know anything but defense. Being a 50 goal goal scorer is being "one dimensional"
The defensive game is a good argument if the offense is close, in the case of Dats it usually is not.
This is what I mean. Your approach is awful. Datsyuk doesn't make it close?
Datsyuk
06-07 -87
07-08 -97
08-09 -97
09-10 -70(his only bad year)
10-11 -59(broken wrist only played 56 games)
11-12 -59(playing with a knee injury for quite some time)
Malkin
06-07 -85
07-08 -106
08-09 -113
09-10 -77(only played 67 games)
10-11 -37(only played 43 game..must have been nursing some injuries...kinda like Datsyuk the last two years).
11-12 -81(only in 59 games..I'll give you this..Malkin have been amazing this season)
Malkin beat out Datsyuk by 9 points and 16 points during his 100 point season runs... that isn't a blow out by any means. Considering Dastyuk plays strict 2-way game, that makes Datsyuks numbers more impressive. Not more impressive than 113 points, but enough to say that he plays a complete game, and managed to not get blown out by one of the best goal scorers in the league.
The other seasons they both seemed to be struck with injuries. Datsyuk had a poor season by his standard (his 70 point campaign)
Then you have this year. Yes, Malkin is kill it. But Datsyuk was playing injured. You have you remember, although he may not have scored as much as Malkin, Datsyuk was juggling between 2-3 in the league at one point (and held that pace up untill after the all star break). Then the injury... Then he wouldn't take face offs, or do board battles. His game too a HUGE hit. So did his points.
he dipped to like 5-6th before the surgery. So atleast he was keeping pace with Malkin before the injury. You make it sound like Datsyuk is Scotty Gomez for crying out loud.
You have a horrible/trollish approach; and you know it.
I don't know it you have noticed, but it's just you who get's attacked. When there's a Datsyuk thread NON Red Wing fans are posting about YOU saying "what, no Saku11 yet."
Most people who disagree with where Datsyuk is in the tier system nowadays, they do it with tact. You? Not at all. You sir, have earned yourself a rep as a Dastyuk basher. It's your posts that have done it, not your opinion.
We get it. You think Datsyuk is overrated material, and Malkin is underrated material. Crosby doesn't get enough attention. Maybe don't go into every single Dastyuk thread and discredit the man for the sake of discrediting him?
I get attacked because not being a Dats lover seems to be so god damn revolutionary here,so ofcourse i stand out.I dont mind if i got a "basher reputation". I never post inappropriate or offensive posts about him.Discussing his hockey ability shouldnt be qualified as bashing.If theres a thread on mainboard i`ll ill chime in and say my opinion.If i was doing this on Wings board then that would be trolling.
Malkin beat out Datsyuk by 9 points and 16 points during his 100 point season runs... that isn't a blow out by any means. Considering Dastyuk plays strict 2-way game, that makes Datsyuks numbers more impressive.
Considering Malkin plays D too,no its not as impressive.
Considering Malkin plays D too,no its not as impressive.
Saku, that's really not much of an argument. Every player in the NHL plays defense nowadays. Just about every player plays a 2 way game in some way shape or form.
Yes, Malkin plays defense. No, Malkin is not in the same tier as Dastyuk as playing defense as a forward. They play a different game... Ugh you're hopeless.
I actually agree about Paccioretty. Not that he's overrated, but his season is. I thought he wasn't played has he could for most of the season until recently. He has develpped a good shot this year which helped his offensive production, but he didn't show his usual level of energy and forechecking skills. And his two linemates were playing great hockey too.
Habs fans generally underrate Plekanec and Gionta, and maybe Gorges too, while overrating Emelin. Price is sometimes overrated, but mostly underrated because our defense is awful.
Saku, that's really not much of an argument. Every player in the NHL plays defense nowadays. Just about every player plays a 2 way game in some way shape or form.
Yes, Malkin plays defense. No, Malkin is not in the same tier as Dastyuk as playing defense as a forward. They play a different game... Ugh you're hopeless.
They do, but when Dats plays D its like he is the only player that does it . Malkin was better.
IMO, No one should say Datsjuk is overrated. Guy creates so many scoring chances in every game, sick skills, and maybe the best two way player in hockey. If I had one player to pick to my own team, it would be Datsjuk. And I am a Blues fan
The fact that only about 3 or 4 non Devils fans have mentioned Patrik Elias in this thread shows how underrated he really is. Guy is over 35 and top 10 in league scoring.
The fact that only about 3 or 4 non Devils fans have mentioned Patrik Elias in this thread shows how underrated he really is. Guy is over 35 and top 10 in league scoring.
None of the oilers are overrated.
It's a 2nd last team.
Hall - 0.88ppg
Ebs - 1.00ppg
Nuge - 0.85ppg
Come on, get real.
I don't follow this logic. If the team is in 29th then it is more likely the Oiler players are overated, not underated.
It's funny I see lots of Bruins being listed in this thread as overated and none as underated, if their players aren't that good then why does the team have success?
I'll go the homer route and fuel the fire in people saying he'r overrated.
Pavel Datsyuk isn't god...but he IS an alien (have you seen the shape of his head?). And he IS the best player in the world. His points may not be up there but he has a completely rounded game. He has the best hands, a great wristshot, a great slapshot when he chooses to use it, he's great at faceoffs, he has great speed, he's the best at stealing the puck, he can lay huge hits when he wants to, he's the smartest player on the ice.....and he has any other skill you could possibly dream up you want a hockey player to have.
I'll say this...I'd take Datsyuk over any other forward in the league on a 10 year contract starting today. Hockey smarts, the best hands in the history of the NHL, and a great work ethic are not things that disappear with age
I don't follow this logic. If the team is in 29th then it is more likely the Oiler players are overated, not underated.
It's funny I see lots of Bruins being listed in this thread as overated and none as underated, if their players aren't that good then why does the team have success?
Because a team is composed of 12 forwards, 9 defenseman and 1 goalie. Not 3 young forwards.
And people hate on the Bruins because they won the cup and expect all the players to have 70+ pts.
I know im the minority,but do i care? Obviously no.Its not offense to him in any means. I have never said he isnt a great hockey player, just that he is viciously overrated, because so many rate him as number one when infact he is not.Thats overrating.Gushing over his playoffs last year like they were the best ever?:Thats overrating.Im not going to attack you if you think Dats is better than Malkin, i just think you are out to lunch in this issue Who is attacking who?, i dropped his name here and got immidiately attacked.Theres seems to be absolutely zero tolerance of Dats dislike in these forums.Im surprised it isnt written in the forum rules...
The essence of the issue is that you are basing your opinion of Dats on what other people think of him, and not his on ice performance. To which I can relate a little bit. People, as a whole, are stupid. Whatever it is that "everybody" likes, whatever the most popular thing is, should be inherently mistrusted. In this case, however, I think you're just hanging yourself.
Not really who else can get 99 points and win the Selke in the same year.
Most Selke winners now days. That trophy has become like a Gold Glove in baseball. Hell, last night during the Blues game against the Ducks, Darren Pang said that the Selke is awarded to "the best two-way forward." Which is odd to me since nhl.com has the Selke going to "the forward who best excels in the defensive aspects of the game." Nowhere should offense factor into the Selke voting. But it does. How many 20-30 point players have been nominated for the Selke in the past twenty years? Compared to 70-90 point players?
.But it seems you dont know anything but defense. Being a 50 goal goal scorer is being "one dimensional" 
.Thanks man
Who is attacking who?, i dropped his name here and got immidiately attacked.Theres seems to be absolutely zero tolerance of Dats dislike in these forums.Im surprised it isnt written in the forum rules...
