Many coaches reward with PP time in some circumstances, but generally you see the star players play the majority of a PP. There's Pens PP's where Malkin, Crosby and Letang take the full 2 minutes.
Other notables who can easily be seen getting a full 2 minute PP shift are OV, Kovalchuk, Stamkos..etc
Many coaches reward with PP time in some circumstances, but generally you see the star players play the majority of a PP. There's Pens PP's where Malkin, Crosby and Letang take the full 2 minutes.
Other notables who can easily be seen getting a full 2 minute PP shift are OV, Kovalchuk, Stamkos..etc
With more space to work with, it makes sense to put your most skilled players on the PP. I don't think you "hand" guys the PP time (Leino), nor do you forcefeed guys PP time because their skillsets call for them to thrive or excel when on it (Grangini)...
...but Vanek should probably be on the PP. that's not forcefeeding, that's putting your most skilled forward in a better position to be more dangerous and effective.
With more space to work with, it makes sense to put your most skilled players on the PP. I don't think you "hand" guys the PP time (Leino), nor do you forcefeed guys PP time because their skillsets call for them to thrive or excel when on it (Grangini)...
...but Vanek should probably be on the PP. that's not forcefeeding, that's putting your most skilled forward in a better position to be more dangerous and effective.
The thing is, Vanek plays such a different role on the PP than most other skilled players...I don't know if he could even handle getting beat on in front of the net for 2 straight minutes.
If we had a different coach who believed in playing someone 2 full PP minutes, I think the only one on the team I could seeing doing it is Ehrhoff.
The thing is, Vanek plays such a different role on the PP than most other skilled players...I don't know if he could even handle getting beat on in front of the net for 2 straight minutes.
If we had a different coach who believed in playing someone 2 full PP minutes, I think the only one on the team I could seeing doing it is Ehrhoff.
I was alluding to the idea of making sure Vanek has a shift on the PP every time we go up a man, obvious exception being him not starting the PP shift and that unit scoring before he has a chance to go out.
I don't think it's smart for anyone to be on the ice for 2 minutes straight, star or not, PP or not. You can't give what you need to give for 2 straight minutes without a break, or without easing up a bit and taking some oomph off of your game.
I don't think it's smart for anyone to be on the ice for 2 minutes straight
Mike Keenan once left Kovalev out there for something like 5+ minutes because he was taking too long shifts. One of the funniest stories I've ever heard
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Kovalev holds the mark for the longest shift by a forward. It was early in his career and he was playing in New York with Mike Keenan as his coach. Iron Mike wasn't happy because Kovalev had a bad habit of staying on the ice too long at the end of a shift.
One night, as Kovalev headed to the bench, Keenan told him to stay on. The next time Keenan called for a new line, he sent only two forwards and again he told Kovalev to stay on the ice. And so it continued until Kovalev had been on the ice for more than seven minutes.
Mike Keenan once left Kovalev out there for something like 5+ minutes because he was taking too long shifts. One of the funniest stories I've ever heard
I had no idea about that, and the Rangers are my default second team. That's priceless, but also why Keenan is terrible at the controls.
what i meant is: should the first line get 5-6 min ev toi + pp time or 5-6 min overall.
i would like to see our first line get around 7 min every period. every guy. so if one doesn't play the pk (like vanek) give him shifts on another line.
i know from myself that it can be hard to get into the game. and it sure doesn't help if you have one or two shifts, then your team goes on the pk and you have 5 min until your next shift. it's like you would have to start the game again.
The thing is, Vanek plays such a different role on the PP than most other skilled players...I don't know if he could even handle getting beat on in front of the net for 2 straight minutes.
If we had a different coach who believed in playing someone 2 full PP minutes, I think the only one on the team I could seeing doing it is Ehrhoff.
Vanek has shown he can handle different roles though. His usual net presence is one thing, but he's been adept at half-wall and even point work at times when they've tried different looks. It wouldn't be the first time someone takes two different jobs on consecutive PP shifts -- it would amp up his ToI too.
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what i meant is: should the first line get 5-6 min ev toi + pp time or 5-6 min overall.
i would like to see our first line get around 7 min every period. every guy. so if one doesn't play the pk (like vanek) give him shifts on another line.
i know from myself that it can be hard to get into the game. and it sure doesn't help if you have one or two shifts, then your team goes on the pk and you have 5 min until your next shift. it's like you would have to start the game again.
What situations are you talking about where the first line gets 3 minutes in a period? Games and periods? (I don't know of a website that breaks down even strength toi by period.)
But without knowing the particular situations/games you are talking about I can make a couple of comments. First, with Vanek/Roy/Pominville slumping on the road trip, it's not surprising Ennis/Hodgson/Stafford would eat into their ice time. In situations where we need a goal, you need to put out a line that's scoring. In situations where we're trying to shut down the other team, Kaleta has emerged as a great defensive forward this year so you want his line or Ellis' out there most likely. And Lindy always likes to be able to roll 4 lines. If the top line isn't getting enough even strength time, it's because they haven't been scoring enough at even strength. I would guess it has very little to do with the number of power plays we get in a period.
What situations are you talking about where the first line gets 3 minutes in a period? Games and periods? (I don't know of a website that breaks down even strength toi by period.)
But without knowing the particular situations/games you are talking about I can make a couple of comments. First, with Vanek/Roy/Pominville slumping on the road trip, it's not surprising Ennis/Hodgson/Stafford would eat into their ice time. In situations where we need a goal, you need to put out a line that's scoring. In situations where we're trying to shut down the other team, Kaleta has emerged as a great defensive forward this year so you want his line or Ellis' out there most likely. And Lindy always likes to be able to roll 4 lines. If the top line isn't getting enough even strength time, it's because they haven't been scoring enough at even strength. I would guess it has very little to do with the number of power plays we get in a period.
first period of yesterdays game against boston. frist line had 3 min ev toi + 1 min pp time. and there were other games where i recognized that.
and it's not like the second line was scoring that much. i think they only had 2 gaols on the westcoast trip.
we get a pp. 1st line shift - 2nd line shift (assume pp ends now) - 3rd line shift - 4th line shift. that's how ruff does it.
imo pp time isn't very exhausting so you could let the 1st and second line just take another shift after the pp ends and then return to your normal circle. 1st line (pp) - 2nd line (pp) - 1st line - 2nd line - 3rd line - 4th line - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - ..... until the next pp.
