The difference is Shannahan is running the disciplinary now not Campbell... all of these posts about how Green got hit and no suspension aren't proving anything and it's pretty sad that some think this hit is justifiable.
I never said it was a clean hit. It was dirty. Dirty to the point we're seeing every single shift now with the way the NHL has decided it doesn't want to call penalties anymore, and let guys get away with murder. Orlov got slew footed by Skinner last Caps game, NHL doesn't care. But that was supposedly the big crackdown a couple of seasons ago. Then the crackdown was head shots. Now the new fad is not calling anything. The only thing predictable about the NHL's discipline program is its unpredictability. It's gotten worse under Shanahan. Under Campbell, the NHL would at least follow the CBA in deciding how to handle suspensions, now it won't even do that.
The difference is Shannahan is running the disciplinary now not Campbell... all of these posts about how Green got hit and no suspension aren't proving anything and it's pretty sad that some people in this thread think this hit is justifiable.
Yeah, that kind of makes it irrelevant.
That and saying those hits are "unquestionably" dirtier is a pretty big stretch, as if it's beyond debate.
Honestly though, I'm not going to debate how dirty it was, but I will say it was really stupid. Why put yourself in a position where you might be looking at a suspension when pretty much the only thing you're going to hit is the other guy's head and he's already been pretty well neutralized by your teammate?
That and saying those hits are "unquestionably" dirtier is a pretty big stretch, as if it's beyond debate.
Honestly though, I'm not going to debate how dirty it was, but I will say it was really stupid. Why put yourself in a position where you might be looking at a suspension when pretty much the only thing you're going to hit is the other guy's head and he's already been pretty well neutralized by your teammate?
No one has ever accused Mike Green of beeing the brightest bulb in the drawer. But he's been intentionally injured repeatedly in this league, and there's never been any supplemental discipline when guys have thrown elbow after elbow at his head, or kneed him in the groin. The guy who got hit didn't have a problem with it, why do so many on here?
I never said it was a clean hit. It was dirty. Dirty to the point we're seeing every single shift now with the way the NHL has decided it doesn't want to call penalties anymore, and let guys get away with murder. Orlov got slew footed by Skinner last Caps game, NHL doesn't care. But that was supposedly the big crackdown a couple of seasons ago. Then the crackdown was head shots. Now the new fad is not calling anything. The only thing predictable about the NHL's discipline program is its unpredictability. It's gotten worse under Shanahan. Under Campbell, the NHL would at least follow the CBA in deciding how to handle suspensions, now it won't even do that.
I don't see how you can say that it's worse now under Shanahan when you're complaining about several hits on Mike Green not getting suspended while Campbell was in charge of discipline. I don't usually agree with Shanahan's logic but at least he's trying to improve player safety with these suspensions/fines.
Because it looked to be clearly against the rules. We'll see what the NHL thinks later.
Oh I fully expect him to be suspended. And I fully expect Shanny's reasoning to be completely contradictory to reasons he's given NOT to suspend players before.
Here's a very similar hit which earned no fine nor suspension
The guy who got hit didn't have a problem with it, why do so many on here?
I don't think it makes any difference, though. Alex Burmistrov saying he turned and put himself in a bad position didn't have any effect on Shanahan suspending Letang earlier this year.
I don't see how you can say that it's worse now under Shanahan when you're complaining about several hits on Mike Green not getting suspended while Campbell was in charge of discipline. I don't usually agree with Shanahan's logic but at least he's trying to improve player safety with these suspensions/fines.
Campbell at least followed the CBA. Shanny has violated it repeatedly. That's my basis for preferring Campbell.
Here's a very similar hit which earned no fine nor suspension
I don't really like that hit either, but I guess the argument could be that the Habs player makes himself vulnerable immediately prior to the hit by reaching for the puck, whereas Connolly was vulnerable because he was already pinned to the boards and Green had time to recognize it.
I don't see the elbow hit the head at all. That is upper arm. If Michalek's hit on Hendricks gets nothing, I don't see how this one does.
Michalek's hit on Hendricks got nothing because Shanahan believes Michalek's knee buckling against hendricks' hip pad caused Michalek to go off-balance, turning a bear hug maneuvre into a lurching forearm to the skull (if the wording isn't clear, this is Shanahan's description of the play in question, not my recollection of what Michalek did, which differs from Shanahan's description).
I suppose Green could try the argument that his knee buckled before hitting Connoly, causing him to go all Derian Hatcher on the guy, but I don't think it will do him any good, as there's no contact between his knee and anything before crushing this kid's head into glass.
The CBA only lets you base your suspension on a player's prior record if a player has received supplemental discipline in the last 18 months. Shanahan brought up Ovechkin's prior history as part of the reason for his length of suspension even though Ovechkin had gone past the 18 months without supplementary discipline. It's laid out very clearly in the section on supplementary discipline.
3 hits to Mike Green's head, all of them unquestionably dirtier than the one from tonight, all with no supplemental discipline. The NHL sets the precedent.
So if Connolly does a Bourque'esque hit to Ovechkin the next game when he's not looking, he'll have been justified because he was hit before?
I don't get your logic at all. I can understand if it was Connolly who elbowed Green before, but posting Green getting hit by 3 different players allows him to elbow another unsuspecting player, doesn't justify it at all.
I don't see the elbow hit the head at all. That is upper arm. If Michalek's hit on Hendricks gets nothing, I don't see how this one does.
The last time Green was suspended for elbowing someone in the head, his elbow didn't actually hit anyone in the head. Why should the NHL care about a detail like that now.
Here's what matters most about whether or not Green gets suspended: How much does TSN freak out over this? That has always been the #1 determining factor over the years.
The difference is Shannahan is running the disciplinary now not Campbell... all of these posts about how Green got hit and no suspension aren't proving anything and it's pretty sad that some people in this thread think this hit is justifiable.
So if Connolly does a Bourque'esque hit to Ovechkin the next game when he's not looking, he'll have been justified because he was hit before?
I don't get your logic at all. I can understand if it was Connolly who elbowed Green before, but posting Green getting hit by 3 different players allows him to elbow another unsuspecting player, doesn't justify it at all.
none of the ones I posted were. The knee to the groin by Ryan Carter that knocked Green out for a couple of months was under Shanny, but no one cared about that apparently.
I don't know if it was purposeful or not. I like to think he wasn't anticipating the Bolt being slowed down and just miss timed his hit. :/ Purposeful or not, he has to be suspended to keep consistency with the rule.
none of the ones I posted were. The knee to the groin by Ryan Carter that knocked Green out for a couple of months was under Shanny, but no one cared about that apparently.
The league doesn't care about knee on knee hits in general, it seems. Or slewfoots.
The league doesn't care about knee on knee hits in general, it seems. Or slewfoots.
In 2009 it announced a big crack down on slew foots. They even fined Ovechkin for a slew foot on Peverly that was half of what Skinner did the other night. Ovechkin has also been suspended for a knee on knee hit, so it only cares about it when it's a Russian doing it.
In 2009 it announced a big crack down on slew foots. They even fined Ovechkin for a slew foot on Peverly that was half of what Skinner did the other night. Ovechkin has also been suspended for a knee on knee hit.
In 2009.
I've seen a ton slewfoots and bunch of knee on knee hits this year that received no suplimentary discipline, and in a lot of cases not even a penalty.
Subban wasn't fined or penalized for this. But Neal was both penalized and fined for the resulting high stick, so the league obviously looked at it and ignored the slewfoot.
I've seen a ton slewfoots and bunch of knee on knee hits this year that received no suplimentary discipline, and in a lot of cases not even a penalty.
Subban wasn't fined or penalized for this. But Neal was both penalized and fined for the resulting high stick, so the league obviously looked at it and ignored the slewfoot.
I think it's more likely that the league never even saw the slew foot. Their attention to details in these issues has been abundantly missing.
I see why Neal was fined, that certainly looked like a tomahawk chop with the stick. Reminds me of a few years ago When Tootoo hit someone clean, Modano came over and game him a 2-handed tomahawk chop, and somehow Tootoo got the suspension for getting slashed.
Doesn't mean I don't think what Subban did was far worse, and for a Caps fan to say that about a Pens player it means something.
I think it's more likely that the league never even saw the slew foot. Their attention to details in these issues has been abundantly missing in these issues.
If they reviewed the play enough to issue a fine on Neal, it'd be pretty hard for them to miss the slewfoot.
