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I doubt you watched Elliott play much in a Sens jersey, but he was good for one terrible goal a game consistently. Unscreened shots from 20+ ft away were his worst nightmare, he was terrible.
Plus, let's not forget when he totally crapped the bed against the Pens two years ago and had Leclaire take over.
I doubt you watched Elliott play much in a Sens jersey, but he was good for one terrible goal a game consistently. Unscreened shots from 20+ ft away were his worst nightmare, he was terrible.
Plus, let's not forget when he totally crapped the bed against the Pens two years ago and had Leclaire take over.
We are not talking about Elliott of the past, we are talking about Elliott now. There is a thing called late-bloomers.
I doubt you watched Elliott play much in a Sens jersey, but he was good for one terrible goal a game consistently. Unscreened shots from 20+ ft away were his worst nightmare, he was terrible.
Plus, let's not forget when he totally crapped the bed against the Pens two years ago and had Leclaire take over.
St. Louis, Vancouver and Boston have IMO the best goaltending in the league for the reason that each team has two goaltenders that can do the job. I guess knock Boston down for a bit as Turco is not nearly as good as Rask is when healthy but that's not a permanent thing.
Having that other goaltender goes a long way to earning W's along a long season. Many #1 goaltenders would play every game but coaches are now realizing how beneficial it is to give a guy such as Thomas or Luongo time off to allow them to rest up through the 'dog days' of the season. It also throws off the opposition, especially if they are expecting one goalie and suddenly are given one that the don't know as well.
Blues would be wise to lock up both guys long-term even if it costs them $7-8 million to do so. It's possible though that one of them may seek a big deal elsewhere so it depends on the type of people Elliot & Halak are.
Blues would be wise to lock up both guys long-term even if it costs them $7-8 million to do so. It's possible though that one of them may seek a big deal elsewhere so it depends on the type of people Elliot & Halak are.
Well they are already signed for 2 more seasons after this.
I doubt you watched Elliott play much in a Sens jersey, but he was good for one terrible goal a game consistently. Unscreened shots from 20+ ft away were his worst nightmare, he was terrible.
Plus, let's not forget when he totally crapped the bed against the Pens two years ago and had Leclaire take over.
He didn't seem to be that bad when he lead Ottawa to the 5th seed in the East back in 09.
Seems to me you're basing a lot of this Elliott hate on one bad year.
Elliott had a ton of hype coming out of College and until 10-11 was considered one of the best up and coming goalie in the League. His numbers this year are higher than expected, but he did not come out of nowhere.
He didn't seem to be that bad when he lead Ottawa to the 5th seed in the East back in 09.
Seems to me you're basing a lot of this Elliott hate on one bad year.
Elliott had a ton of hype coming out of College and until 10-11 was considered one of the best up and coming goalie in the League. His numbers this year are higher than expected, but he did not come out of nowhere.
Wait what?
We're talking about a guy who was signed to a 2 way, 600k contract that was signed really to force Ben Bishop to earn the job.
I'm thrilled with the success he's having, but I'm willing to bet at least 75% of Blues fans (and really i think the percentage is higher) didn't think he would make the roster out camp.
He didn't seem to be that bad when he lead Ottawa to the 5th seed in the East back in 09.
Seems to me you're basing a lot of this Elliott hate on one bad year.
Elliott had a ton of hype coming out of College and until 10-11 was considered one of the best up and coming goalie in the League. His numbers this year are higher than expected, but he did not come out of nowhere.
Elliott is a solid goalie, but I don't think that he'd be able to put on performances like Thomas and Lundqvist do when they steal games putting aside 40 to 50 shots.
He's perfect for St. Louis as they do a great job of limiting goal-scoring opportunities. But he'd put up mediocre numbers on teams that needed to rely on their goaltending more. Like Philly, Ottawa, or even Boston.
Elliott won't lose you games anymore like he did in Ottawa, but I think he wouldn't win you games either like Halak could.
Elliott is a solid goalie, but you'd be naive to think that he'd be able to put on performances like Thomas and Lundqvist do when they steal games putting aside 40 to 50 shots.
He's perfect for St. Louis. But he'd put up mediocre numbers on teams that needed to rely on their goaltending more. Like Philly, Ottawa, or even Boston.
Elliott won't lose you games anymore like he did in Ottawa, but I think he wouldn't win you games either like Halak could.
Elliott is a solid goalie, but you'd be naive to think that he'd be able to put on performances like Thomas and Lundqvist do when they steal games putting aside 40 to 50 shots.
He's perfect for St. Louis. But he'd put up mediocre numbers on teams that needed to rely on their goaltending more. Like Philly, Ottawa, or even Boston.
Elliott won't lose you games anymore like he did in Ottawa, but I think he wouldn't win you games either like Halak could.
Proves you didn't watch any Blues games early in the season.
They'd be stupid to part with either of the goalies. Getting a goal tending tandem as good as that is nigh-on impossible due to the fact that a player that good would be a #1 on another team and would probably look at leaving if the money is right.
We're talking about a guy who was signed to a 2 way, 600k contract that was signed really to force Ben Bishop to earn the job.
I'm thrilled with the success he's having, but I'm willing to bet at least 75% of Blues fans (and really i think the percentage is higher) didn't think he would make the roster out camp.
He absolutely came out of nowhere.
1) The Bishop love was more to do with the hometown kid and homegrown prospect factor than his actual ability.
2) Elliott had a 29-18-4 record with a 2.57 GAA and a .909 SP in 09 and was Ottawa's starting goalie for most of the year leading them to the 5th seed in the East.
No, he did not come out of nowhere. There were a large number of people who ignored that season and wrote him off as a bust, but there were also a large number of people thinking he could get back to that level given a proper defense to play behind.
We are not talking about Elliott of the past, we are talking about Elliott now. There is a thing called late-bloomers.
In one summer at 26 years old he just all of a sudden got twice as good... It has nothing to do with his situation or his confidence... Common. Just look at Phoenix/Philly Ilya Bryzgalov/Mike Smith.
Elliot still gets beaten clean on good shots by good players nothing has changed. The difference is the blues are really good at limiting these opportunities.
Here is a telling goalie stat for talented goalies how has elliot done in shootouts? Elliot is .500 good for 37th in the league.
He is good on the first save when its not a snipe atleast when his confidence isnt down. His last 35 games in Ottawa he had lost his confidence so he wasnt even good on the easy ones. He clearly has it now, good for him he is a really nice guy hard worker and good teamate but he isnt very talented atleast when it comes to elite nhl goaltending.
Halak will play all playoff games unless he collapses or the Blues need a momentum shift in the series.
No one is trading a first rounder for Elliot he has been scouted heavily by every team in the nhl he couldnt even get a 1 way contract this summer.
In one summer at 26 years old he just all of a sudden got twice as good... It has nothing to do with his situation or his confidence... Common. Just look at Phoenix/Philly Ilya Bryzgalov/Mike Smith.
Elliot still gets beaten clean on good shots by good players nothing has changed. The difference is the blues are really good at limiting these opportunities.
Here is a telling goalie stat for talented goalies how has elliot done in shootouts? Elliot is .500 good for 37th in the league.
He is good on the first save when its not a snipe atleast when his confidence isnt down. His last 35 games in Ottawa he had lost his confidence so he wasnt even good on the easy ones. He clearly has it now, good for him he is a really nice guy hard worker and good teamate but he isnt very talented atleast when it comes to elite nhl goaltending.
Halak will play all playoff games unless he collapses or the Blues need a momentum shift in the series.
No one is trading a first rounder for Elliot he has been scouted heavily by every team in the nhl he couldnt even get a 1 way contract this summer.
OMG, he isn't great in shootouts, because that is that stat that determines if you are a good goalie.
Funny thing is, his shootout SV% is .714. You were only looking at his home shootout sv%.
I guess that also means Conklin and Gustavsson are some of the best goalies in the league because of their shootout SV%. And, Reimer, Garon, and Crawford to go along with the other 2 are all way better than Rinne.
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In one summer at 26 years old he just all of a sudden got twice as good... It has nothing to do with his situation or his confidence... Common. Just look at Phoenix/Philly Ilya Bryzgalov/Mike Smith.
Elliot still gets beaten clean on good shots by good players nothing has changed. The difference is the blues are really good at limiting these opportunities.
Here is a telling goalie stat for talented goalies how has elliot done in shootouts? Elliot is .500 good for 37th in the league.
He is good on the first save when its not a snipe atleast when his confidence isnt down. His last 35 games in Ottawa he had lost his confidence so he wasnt even good on the easy ones. He clearly has it now, good for him he is a really nice guy hard worker and good teamate but he isnt very talented atleast when it comes to elite nhl goaltending.
Halak will play all playoff games unless he collapses or the Blues need a momentum shift in the series.
No one is trading a first rounder for Elliot he has been scouted heavily by every team in the nhl he couldnt even get a 1 way contract this summer.
Shootouts are a poor way to tell how talented a goalie is......Lundqvist is 15th in shootout SA%. Rinne is 23rd, Quick 39th, Price 36th, Rask 36th are they all bad goalies?? BTW Elliott is 20th....
Last edited by HooliganX2: 03-09-2012 at 02:33 PM.
OMG, he isn't great in shootouts, because that is that stat that determines if you are a good goalie.
Funny thing is, his shootout SV% is .714. You were only looking at his home shootout sv%.
I guess that also means Conklin and Gustavsson are some of the best goalies in the league because of their shootout SV%. And, Reimer, Garon, and Crawford to go along with the other 2 are all way better than Rinne.
Shootouts are a good measure at raw physical talent yes. You are also right I looked at only home stats his percentage is 714 this season. I will eat crow on that one
Ok well how about I have watched video on him play since he was in Wisconsin? Is that good enough for you or how about I shot on him at a goalie development camp....
Or how about I watched him in Bingo and in Ottawa ALOT.
No doubt he is getting better because right from a pro goaltending coachs mouth he is more receptive then any nhl/ahl pro level goalie he has taught. That being said he does not posses elite top end NHL talent. Thus you have a positionally sound goaltender playing in the best defensive system in the NHL and his confidence is high... Weird he has good stats.
You're all way too defensive he is a good backup and you blues fans have a great starter. With that being said dont pretend he is something he isnt, he wouldnt have been a 9th rounder he would have got a 1 way deal this summer.
Shootouts are a good measure at raw physical talent yes. You are also right I looked at only home stats his percentage is 714 this season. I will eat crow on that one
Ok well how about I have watched video on him play since he was in Wisconsin? Is that good enough for you or how about I shot on him at a goalie development camp....
Or how about I watched him in Bingo and in Ottawa ALOT.
No doubt he is getting better because right from a pro goaltending coachs mouth he is more receptive then any nhl/ahl pro level goalie he has taught. That being said he does not posses elite top end NHL talent. Thus you have a positionally sound goaltender playing in the best defensive system in the NHL and his confidence is high... Weird he has good stats.
You're all way too defensive he is a good backup and you blues fans have a great starter. With that being said dont pretend he is something he isnt, he wouldnt have been a 9th rounder he would have got a 1 way deal this summer.
No one ever said that he was a top end goalie. He is playing great for us, is very consistent, and we have no reason to move either goalie. We have 2 goalies that are playing incredible hockey right now. I have more confidence in Halak sustaining his success, but at Elliott's price, we only need him to be a solid backup.
Shootouts are a good measure at raw physical talent yes. You are also right I looked at only home stats his percentage is 714 this season. I will eat crow on that one
Ok well how about I have watched video on him play since he was in Wisconsin? Is that good enough for you or how about I shot on him at a goalie development camp....
Or how about I watched him in Bingo and in Ottawa ALOT.
No doubt he is getting better because right from a pro goaltending coachs mouth he is more receptive then any nhl/ahl pro level goalie he has taught. That being said he does not posses elite top end NHL talent. Thus you have a positionally sound goaltender playing in the best defensive system in the NHL and his confidence is high... Weird he has good stats.
You're all way too defensive he is a good backup and you blues fans have a great starter. With that being said dont pretend he is something he isnt, he wouldnt have been a 9th rounder he would have got a 1 way deal this summer.
Halak was selected only 10 spots from Elliott. So does draft position determine how talented or productive they will be at the NHL level?
A. Who's "Halek?"B. If you mean Halak, you should know that no one who knows their @$$ from a hole in the ground about the Blues is suggesting, or even discussing, a trade involving Halak.
C. Maybe Elliott was "terrible with Ottawa and Colorado" because Ottawa and Colorado are terrible clubs?
1) The Bishop love was more to do with the hometown kid and homegrown prospect factor than his actual ability.
2) Elliott had a 29-18-4 record with a 2.57 GAA and a .909 SP in 09 and was Ottawa's starting goalie for most of the year leading them to the 5th seed in the East.
No, he did not come out of nowhere. There were a large number of people who ignored that season and wrote him off as a bust, but there were also a large number of people thinking he could get back to that level given a proper defense to play behind.
To be fair bishop did out play Elliott but halak struggled so they went with the more experienced goalie. If Halak was hot Preseason Elliot would have been in the ahl
Goalies are generally the latest of bloomers among forwards, defensemen, goalies. Every time Elliott is discussed, bitter Ottawa fans descend on the thread to say how terrible Elliott really is, they know the truth, he's secretly terrible and whatever lights-out performance he's having game after game after game after game after game after game after game this year is some other reason. Yes, it's all Hitchcock, that's why he was busy stealing games in San Jose or Philly or Vancouver before Hitchcock showed up.
Maybe, just maybe, if we accept that he was terrible in his second year for the Sens, Sens fans can accept Blues fans in good faith telling them how exceptional he's been for us. He's made tons of game-saving stops for us this year. You think we're LYING about that? He's a month older than Halak, they're both 26. Bishop was always meh for us in the NHL, so will you be happy with us telling you if he performs well that he can't really be good? [By the way, despite what some Blues fans insist, Bishop and Elliott were a draw in camp, with Elliott posting the better numbers. Since he had 110+ NHL games he was always going to get the nod in a tie. I'd have been shocked if Bishop had gotten it once they tied in camp.]
Much of goaltending is confidence. All these guys are skilled. Elliott has earned his confidence and that's why he's doing what he's doing.
A final note, Elliott wasn't the first choice in the offseason. It was Mike Smith. Our beat reporter told us that this summer when Smith and Theodore signed that the Blues tried to sign one of those guys, and then said it wasn't Theodore. They wound up signing Elliott later that same day.
