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03-08-2012, 08:15 PM
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If Dupuis had finish...

he'd be worth $6M/year.

I meant to do this a few days ago, before his 2 goal game. This guy does everything but finish his opportunities... he's fast, forechecks, backchecks, hits, strong on the puck, heavy on the boards, kills penalties, he's in the right places... yadda yadda. 110% EVERY shift.

If he could pot 2 out of every 5 "GLORIOUS" opportunities that he flubs... he'd be a $6M/year player.


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Yep.

Then again, if he was, we would have never landed him.

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It's remarkable how many points he puts up considering his lack of talent. I cringe whenever I see his name on the 4th line on all the mock depth charts on this forum. He's without a doubt our 3rd best winger, and is a logical candidate to re-unite with Sid when he comes back. Amazing role player, sub par scoring winger.

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he'd be worth $6M/year.

I meant to do this a few days ago, before his 2 goal game. This guy does everything but finish his opportunities... he's fast, forechecks, backchecks, hits, strong on the puck, heavy on the boards, kills penalties, he's in the right places... yadda yadda. 110% EVERY shift.

If he could pot 2 out of every 5 "GLORIOUS" opportunities that he flubs... he'd be a $6M/year.
If he had better hands, I doubt that the other portions of his game would have developed as they have, a kind of Darwinian deal.

I'm always surprised when I remember he had 20 goals and almost 50 points his second season in the league. Wild fans were probably like "Damn, this is a good 2-way forward, a potential 30 goal guy with high compete level, etc,."

Does look like a pretty decent lock at finally hitting 20 again....10 years later.

Just looked, he had 8 pts in 16 playoff games that year too, not bad at all. Will need a Wild fan perspective on early career Dupuis.


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Yep.

Then again, if he was, we would have never landed him.
You mean, we coulda had Hossa for less.

Point being, I don't get the sense that his previous teams realized how complete he is, or that he could play at this level.

Bylsma needs to run more "Finish Drills" in practice, I think.

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He just doesn't have the hands.

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30 goals 30 assists. Not that much off his 20G 20Aish kinda pace he normally gets around.


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He is a better hockey player than Chris Kunitz.

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This season is further proof he's a more valuable player than TK, even if marginally so at times.

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Id take him over TK every time. Id take him over Kunitz some of the time. I wish we could put the amount of money he deserves in his bank account. What a "team player"

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I have been one of the biggest Dupper critics over the years being here since he came here. But I gotta admit he is showing what he can do when he flat out plays every night to empty the tank.

We can all remember during our defenseman injuries a few years ago when the only "legit" dman we had was Skoula and during that time anytime that the puck touched Dupuis stick it was a flubbed chance or a turn over with half hearted skating. All of us, or at least the great majority were calling for his head on a plate during that time.

Last season, and this season the guy has really played his heart out. He plays full 60 mins in almost every game, and a great deal of them leaves nothing out on the ice.

I am not some Dupper fan boy or anything, but I will eat crow and at least say the guy has shaped himself into one hell of a role player and if he pegs 20 goals he is damn worth his contract if he keeps this heart up the rest of the season and into the post.

I think thats best to sum it up, when the guy is disinterested anyone would want his head... When he is pouring his heart out he is a role player anyone would welcome on their team.

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He is a better hockey player than Chris Kunitz.
I wouldn't say better...different. He's a different hockey player than Kunitz.

I'm loving Dupuis this year. I more than anyone was his harshest critic last year...and he's shut me the heck up this year.

He's a great value. Not Engelland great...but still a great deal. I hope he's the kinda guy we can keep around for awhile...perhaps until he retires.

In a few years I'd like to see:

Kuhnhackl - Crosby - Bennett
Staal - Malkin - Neal
Tangradi - Jeffery - Dupuis

Lol...that just means that all of our prospects worked out.

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Always liked Dupes and always will. He always gives 120% and isn't a bad offensive player. That he can actually play with Sid and do well is a huge credit to him. Not taking anything away from Sid but a player has to be able to read and understand how a player like that thinks. He can excel on any line and is absolute glue in the locker room.

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I really have a hard time understanding why people are so hard on Pascal sometimes.

Do I think there are better options outside the organization for a top-six winger? Of course, I'd be insane not to think that.

But, Dupuis has had 17 and 18 goals the last two seasons, and 37-38 points to accompany that. He's a great back-checker, solid forechecker, blocks shots, he's somewhat physical and he kills penalties. He's also durable, hasn't missed a game in a while.

All for $1.5M a season. Dupuis in my opinion brings the best value for his contract, at least as far secondary scoring goes.

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On a production/intangibles per cap hit basis, Dupuis's contract is probably one of the best in the league.

Not to mention, he fits the Penguins system like a glove too.

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On a production/intangibles per cap hit basis, Dupuis's contract is probably one of the best in the league.

Not to mention, he fits the Penguins system like a glove too.
That about sums it up and I'm glad people start to see that, I always liked and defended him. And another thing. I think Tender_Rip oder Cole said it: Has Pascal Dupuis EVER looked tired not matter how long or hard a shift was? His conditioning is beastly.

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If Konstantin Koltsov had hands, he'd have been Pavel Bure.

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This season is further proof he's a more valuable player than TK, even if marginally so at times.
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Id take him over TK every time. Id take him over Kunitz some of the time. I wish we could put the amount of money he deserves in his bank account. What a "team player"
I've been saying this since Dupuis first became the whipping boy. Always said we'd be lucky if TK can someday become as good of a hockey player as Dupuis and was basically crucified for it, especially last year when TK had his "breakout" year.

in short: I told you so

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I'm fine with Duper as he is. It would be awesome if our team consisted entirely of 40-goal scoring defensive juggernauts, but every good team has guys like Dupuis. What he brings with his forechecking, pk ability, locker room harassment of teammates, defense and timely offense is awesome for this team.

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I really have a hard time understanding why people are so hard on Pascal sometimes.
Anyone who is critical of Duper on a regular basis, is probably related to Dan Potash. Actually I take that back. They must be crazy people because even Dan Potash's family likes Pascal better than they like Dan.

Duper is a man for all seasons (and only begrudgingly goes to chic movies / kid movies, at his wife's request).

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He is a better hockey player than Chris Kunitz.

no he isn't....Kunitz is a far better player than Dupuis could ever hope to be....

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If Dupuis actually had finish, then only his relative lack of playmaking skills would distinguish him from Marty St Louis.

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no he isn't....Kunitz is a far better player than Dupuis could ever hope to be....
This year's stats paint a different picture.

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If Dupuis actually had finish, then only his relative lack of playmaking skills would distinguish him from Marty St Louis.
Thank you (and Handshakeline). Pretty ridiculous thread. If Dupuis had finish.....and vision.....and soft hands.....and passing ability......and any kind of shot repertoire is more like it.

I mean jeez I like Dupuis especially at his cap hit like someone mentioned, but most of the responses here are insane. We don't have to create a thread every time someone has a really good game.

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Thank you (and Handshakeline). Pretty ridiculous thread. If Dupuis had finish.....and vision.....and soft hands.....and passing ability......and any kind of shot repertoire is more like it.

I mean jeez I like Dupuis especially at his cap hit like someone mentioned, but most of the responses here are insane. We don't have to create a thread every time someone has a really good game.

Wow. Pretty ridiculous reply. Way to troll me Brooks. So you're actually accusing me of lovin' on Duper because of a 2-goal game, even after I outright stated that I meant to start this thread a few days ago (after that game where Duper had like 9 shots on net for 0 goals)?

I didn't list the 5 intangibles he was missing to be right beside Mario, so don't get all sensitive about it.

Put on your imagination cap, buddy... and... picture Duper poppin' in 15 of those once-a-game-absolutely-glorious wide open nets that he invariably misses.

That makes him a near 40 goal scorer. My point was, a 40 goal scorer that does all that Duper does, gets $6M/year.

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