Its really bad when your numb to whether they win or lose. After three seasons of losing, its done something to me. I hope I snap out of it by next season.
Just heard on Oilers Now that someone mentioned in an email that Edmonton should make a deal involving Hall for either Subban or Price. Just wanted to say to the guy who made the proposal if he is on here and reading this...GO **** YOURSELF!
Why is everyone not calling Khabby out for this game? He did make some solid saves, but he let one in from behind the goal line. BEHIND THE FRICKIN' GOAL LINE! That was brutal! On top of that, it was a one goal game, in the 3rd period. Just pathetic.
Give me keeper who has never let in a goal from behind the line... Lay off dude, it's not way out of the ordinary.
Gagner and Omark combined don't generally get much done.
I don't think they work well together because I don't think Sam likes him. Don't ask me for a link or ask exactly what day last year he was on but I was listening to Gregor late last season and Gagner said flat out that he thought Omark was a good player, had some skills, but wished that he would share the puck with his linemates once in awhile. Then he kind of laughed a bit like he was joking but you can tell it pissed him off a bit. Basically, the nicest way you could call someone a puckhog. Even Gregor paused for a second or two and there was nervous laughter (I think Rishaug or Brownlee was with him).
I thought it was pretty poor form for Sam to say that on the radio to those guys. Who doesn't want the puck? Earlier in his career, Sam held on to it for way too long too and was always getting pushed off of it or turning it over.
If that thought is always in the back of his mind, it probably doesn't help them work together but Sam needs to be a pro and do the best he can regardless of who his teammates are. Trust is important and if Sam doesn't think he's going to get the puck back or that Linus is always going to cough it up, they'll never be able to play together.
Linus was a bit cocky last year, then angry. But I think that Linus is trying really hard now this time to use his teammates more, come back on defence and just generally do the things the Oilers wanted him to work on. You do those up and down trips a few times and it grates on your nerves, you want to stay. Maybe he's finally getting it, like Petry got it after yo-yoing for awhile. It's one thing to get a shot, it's a lot more work to stay.
I don't think they work well together because I don't think Sam likes him. Don't ask me for a link or ask exactly what day last year he was on but I was listening to Gregor late last season and Gagner said flat out that he thought Omark was a good player, had some skills, but wished that he would share the puck with his linemates once in awhile. Then he kind of laughed a bit like he was joking but you can tell it pissed him off a bit. Basically, the nicest way you could call someone a puckhog. Even Gregor paused for a second or two and there was nervous laughter (I think Rishaug or Brownlee was with him).
I thought it was pretty poor form for Sam to say that on the radio to those guys. Who doesn't want the puck? Earlier in his career, Sam held on to it for way too long too and was always getting pushed off of it or turning it over.
If that thought is always in the back of his mind, it probably doesn't help them work together but Sam needs to be a pro and do the best he can regardless of who his teammates are. Trust is important and if Sam doesn't think he's going to get the puck back or that Linus is always going to cough it up, they'll never be able to play together.
Linus was a bit cocky last year, then angry. But I think that Linus is trying really hard now this time to use his teammates more, come back on defence and just generally do the things the Oilers wanted him to work on. You do those up and down trips a few times and it grates on your nerves, you want to stay. Maybe he's finally getting it, like Petry got it after yo-yoing for awhile. It's one thing to get a shot, it's a lot more work to stay.
Well Sam is right. Linus rarely gives him the puck. Which is odd considering one player hovers below .500ppg and another has always been over .600ppg. Everything about Omarks possession of puck on that line suggests that he thinks he owns it. I'd be pissed too. Who wouldn't.
Its on Gagner though that he didn't confront that **** face on.
I said the same earlier in the thread. Gagner doesn't like Linus. See Sam doing the Linus spin around behind the net in the SJ game in OT? Sam basically telling Linus I can do your dimestore **** any day of the week.
As per Gagner how could he like the assignment? Heres Dumbcoff making 5.5M/yr and he doesn't have to the heavy lifting and 21yr old Gagner is lugging around 2 rookies last year all the way to his personal worst season ever. Thats gotta weigh a little bit.
But heres the kicker. I think Sam gets to play with Linus because a few other people on the team have possibly been more vocal about expressing their opinion. If anything Sam is the complain about nothing guy on the club so gets this short straw assignment.
Absolutely I don't think Gagner likes Linus and doesn't want to be on the same line, as for the lack of Linus passing to Gagner its bang on. Last year Linus and Maggie would work a give and go as if Sam wasn't even on the ice.
I'm sure Linus figured some things out but last year would leave a lot of issues. Schremp type issues.
Some people just don't get team sports and they grate on everybody.
Im going to catch some flak for this but, I honestly don't think omark is the type of player I want on this team, or is going to be skilled enough to play on it. Hes vastly overated because he makes a cute move once in awhile, Entertaining yes but part of a winning team, No
Im going to catch some flak for this but, I honestly don't think omark is the type of player I want on this team, or is going to be skilled enough to play on it. Hes vastly overated because he makes a cute move once in awhile, Entertaining yes but part of a winning team, No
I don't think that is a very uncommon opinion. It may be different if we had a bunch of giant forwards already, but we already have too many small skill guys to have another one on the team. He needs to be traded to a team like Columbus or Minnesota, he may be able to carve out a spot on a team like that.
Im going to catch some flak for this but, I honestly don't think omark is the type of player I want on this team, or is going to be skilled enough to play on it. Hes vastly overated because he makes a cute move once in awhile, Entertaining yes but part of a winning team, No
Quickest way to burst Omarks stats bubble is to point out his GFON.
Normally a good player makes other players better and not only contributes pts but helps other linemates production. With Linus what you get is that his pts happens to be almost equal to his GFON. Meaning that no other production goes on during his minutes and that the team overall isn't producing much of anything with him on the ice.
Which is a much different look than the superficial view that he creates a lot of offense. He really doesn't so far at this level. Maybe he'll find it, but on a teamsport you have to use everybody better than he does. I think his personal success prevented from learning how to be a hockey player in a teamsport.
Omarks GFON needs to be better for a topsix player on an offensive club.
I thought Sam not giving the puck to Omark was a lot more noticeable than the other way around.
Of course you did. Last night it was the case.
Think theres any issues there from last season?
Sam knows once you give the puck to Omark you're not getting it back. I never sense this kind of dynamic with Sam playing with anybody else. For instance Eberle, Hemsky, Hall, Nilsson, Cogs, etc.
Sam's not a selfish player, never has been. Omark has been.
Sam knows once you give the puck to Omark you're not getting it back. I never sense this kind of dynamic with Sam playing with anybody else. For instance Eberle, Hemsky, Hall, Nilsson, Cogs, etc.
Sam's not a selfish player, never has been. Omark has been.
why you lookin bitter? cause omark be looking better.
Omark is a good player, and he's earned himself this chance at the big club with his exceptional play for the Barons. He got off to a slow start, was sent to the minors, got injured, returned, played extremely well and was called up. He's had to earn every inch with this team, and he deserves to be given the opportunity. I hope that he makes the most of it. As for the selfish player comments, some players log the puck a lot. Jagr used to annoy me with this. I don't think Omark is on that level, and I wouldn't call him all that selfish. He's just skilled with the puck, and I'm certain that he's quite used to handling it when he's on the ice. Puck possession is a key to the game. So it's good to have players with the ability to log it.
Omark has dominated at every other level, and looked quite good last year at the NHL level. He's also looked good since his return so far, and I'm hoping for the guy. I think that he'll figure out what he needs to do to stay in the line up; he's a dynamic player.
Sam knows once you give the puck to Omark you're not getting it back. I never sense this kind of dynamic with Sam playing with anybody else. For instance Eberle, Hemsky, Hall, Nilsson, Cogs, etc.
Sam's not a selfish player, never has been. Omark has been.
Sam has issues with passing to players that he doesn't completely trust.
The most obvious game that I've seen this was when he played a game with Cornet on his line.
Sam has issues with passing to players that he doesn't completely trust.
The most obvious game that I've seen this was when he played a game with Cornet on his line.
Yep, good eye. I noted that as well. But in fairness Sam wouldn't have known much about this player who was just briefly called up and also Cornet I don't think is a possession type player.
The interesting thing is why Sam is getting these assignments. I have to think its because he's one of the more reasonable players on the club who won't complain.
In terms of playing style I would expect Omark to be paired with players like Horc, Smyth, who could, one would think, possibly benefit(hypothetically, I'm not concluding they would benefit) from Omarks setup passing game. I just find it interesting that the Oilers have pretty much avoided those matchups and went with Omark-Gagner so much.
Omark is a good player, and he's earned himself this chance at the big club with his exceptional play for the Barons. He got off to a slow start, was sent to the minors, got injured, returned, played extremely well and was called up. He's had to earn every inch with this team, and he deserves to be given the opportunity. I hope that he makes the most of it. As for the selfish player comments, some players log the puck a lot. Jagr used to annoy me with this. I don't think Omark is on that level, and I wouldn't call him all that selfish. He's just skilled with the puck, and I'm certain that he's quite used to handling it when he's on the ice. Puck possession is a key to the game. So it's good to have players with the ability to log it.Omark has dominated at every other level, and looked quite good last year at the NHL level. He's also looked good since his return so far, and I'm hoping for the guy. I think that he'll figure out what he needs to do to stay in the line up; he's a dynamic player.
While this is well written and sounds nice Omark unfortunately hasn't to this point been effective with puck possession and has not demonstrated that his style of play is "the key to the game".
You mentioned Jagr, while leaving out the important distinction of how many times, and with what probability, that Jagr's play would eventually overwhelm D coverage and result in a goal. With Jagr it was a case of a battle of attrition over D coverage that he was winning for fun. Conversely Omarks puck possession usually results in him staying in one spot too long with the puck, eventually losing the puck, and being trapped low while the puck is turned over.
In fact his GFON last season was 1.83/60mins which is poor for a topsix player. Puts him in the same range as people like Stortini, Cogliano, Ryan Jones, Brule. So very limited production but while fostering far worse GAON than any of those players. Case in point being Omarks tenure with Gagner last season and a precipitous drop for Gagner from -3 to -16 and an alarming increase in Gagner's GA rate during that time.
This suggests anything but a player that is being effective and smart with the puck and that is contributing to the key of the game. If anything last season Omark was a key to drafting RNH.
Hopefully he turns out better. But Omark, despite his skill with the puck, didn't further many W results last year. Certainly he wasn't a player who made the team more competitive.
Last edited by Replacement: 03-10-2012 at 10:04 AM.
