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Early PO exit + Not Signing Parise = Top 4 D-Man Must Be Traded

View Poll Results: If you HAD to trade one of the following D-men, who would you trade?
McDonagh 0 0%
Del Z 13 17.11%
Girardi 30 39.47%
Staal 33 43.42%
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03-09-2012, 12:57 AM
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Early PO exit + Not Signing Parise = Top 4 D-Man Must Be Traded

If we don't win the cup, AND miss out on Parise, someone from our top four D-men has to go (because it's the only place where we have depth) so we can acquire a legitimate offensive talent in the Summer, whether that talent is Bobby Ryan, Rick Nash, or trading for a top two pick at the draft, etc.

In this situation we could afford to do this, and should do this. Erixon, who has 29 points in 39 games for the CT Whale, has a 95% chance of coming up next season, plus we should have Sauer back by then, or at the very least sometime next season. If you ask me this is a call between Girardi and Staal.


Pick your poison.

McDonagh
Del Zotto
Girardi
Staal

We all love these guys, but we have to put that aside. The fact of the matter is that trades that get you talent where you need it are SUPPOSED to hurt. Trades like the Gomez trade are anomalies and should not be expected.

If we win the cup, then the team ain't broke so we shouldn't fix it.

If we fail in the playoffs because of our lack of offense, and don't sign Parise, one of these guys has to go.

I would have to trade Girardi from the above listed players as the core player going the other way for an offensive talent. It would hurt me as a fan (), but I know it would be the right move for this team going forward, and ultimately it would make us better.




Couldn't resist using "Del Z," sorry guys.

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03-09-2012, 02:38 AM
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no.

i wouldnt trade any of our top 4 D.

to me early playoff exit has zero implications on what we do in the offseason.

Go hard after parise. if you cant sign him, trade for nash. if you cant trade for him, and im assuming Bobby Ryan is prohibitively expensive, then stand pat. get rid of some of the lower end players...ie, fedotenko, scott, maybe Rupp except hes signed for another year isnt he?

Bring in Kreider, JT Miller (if hes ready) and Erixon and go with the full blown youth movement. accelerate the teams transition to our kids.


if you strike out on everyone, go with this next year...

AA - Stepan - Gaborik
Kreider - Richards - Callahan
Hagelin - JT Miller/Mitchell - JT Miller/Mitchell
Rupp - Boyle - Prust

MCD - Girardi
Staal - Erixon
MDZ - Sauer

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this is quite the algorithm

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03-09-2012, 03:12 AM
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Surprised that Girardi "leads" this poll at the time. Personally I'm not willing to deal any of them to be honest, but somehow I feel we played better defensively when Staal was out. Any care to at least pretend to agree with me?

But then again... Speculations, speculations....

We need to get something extra before the play-offs though. Scott just doesn't cut it. Actually jack s*** that is!

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Sauer... he's the trade bait I'd say.

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03-09-2012, 06:21 AM
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Sauer... he's the trade bait I'd say.
Yeah what GM is giving up anything for a guy with scrambled brains and a history of being brittle in the rest of us body .

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this is quite the algorithm
it gets bad around here lol. But we can't score for **** anymore.1 goal per game

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Why is this even being brought up?

As I have said before, 95% of Ranger fans over 40 would want anything to do with that spawn of evil (Parise).

For those of you who don't know, Zac Parise's father, J.P., who was basically a no-name scrub, scored a overtime goal seven seconds in at the Garden in Game #3 of the opening round (they played 3 game series back then) of the 1975 playoffs for the Islanders. This gave the Islanders legitimacy, and started the Rangers into a tailspin. The Rangers were a contender for most of the early 70's. This playoff exit is what started the whole "curse" nonsense and the "1940" chants.

The name Parise should NEVER be on the back of any Ranger sweater, PERIOD!

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Why is this even being brought up?

As I have said before, 95% of Ranger fans over 40 would want anything to do with that spawn of evil (Parise).

For those of you who don't know, Zac Parise's father, J.P., who was basically a no-name scrub, scored a overtime goal seven seconds in at the Garden in Game #3 of the opening round (they played 3 game series back then) of the 1975 playoffs for the Islanders. This gave the Islanders legitimacy, and started the Rangers into a tailspin. The Rangers were a contender for most of the early 70's. This playoff exit is what started the whole "curse" nonsense and the "1940" chants.

The name Parise should NEVER be on the back of any Ranger sweater, PERIOD!
Please...please tell me you're joking.

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this team is first in the East by 6 pts and we see Threads like Biron sucks, Trading our beloved top 4............will you guys freaking chill already

I rather see some issues now then playoff time.......take a breather

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this team is first in the East by 6 pts and we see Threads like Biron sucks, Trading our beloved top 4............will you guys freaking chill already

I rather see some issues now then playoff time.......take a breather
Yes but the current issues is what is ultimately going to be this team's down fall

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Why is this even being brought up?

As I have said before, 95% of Ranger fans over 40 would want anything to do with that spawn of evil (Parise).

For those of you who don't know, Zac Parise's father, J.P., who was basically a no-name scrub, scored a overtime goal seven seconds in at the Garden in Game #3 of the opening round (they played 3 game series back then) of the 1975 playoffs for the Islanders. This gave the Islanders legitimacy, and started the Rangers into a tailspin. The Rangers were a contender for most of the early 70's. This playoff exit is what started the whole "curse" nonsense and the "1940" chants.

The name Parise should NEVER be on the back of any Ranger sweater, PERIOD!
Yeeeah, that make sense. We should also hire someone to kill his kitten.

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All of this we have to do this--have to do that if 'this' doesn't happen isn't very realistic. Arguably we'll be a better team next year not doing anything. 1) our top 4 are all young guys--and 3 of them haven't even reached their peak years--they should be even better--especially considering Staal being healthy at the start. And if we've got Sauer back--even better. I wouldn't be in any hurry to trade any of them.
2) many of our forwards like Stepan and Hagelin should also be better. Add in Kreider--subtract one or two of the older checking forwards---we should be bigger, younger, faster--with a number of very worthy young guys who again are nowhere near their prime years. And they'll be cap friendly.

If there is one area I might look to change things up it's in the backup goalie position. Whether that means replacing Biron or having a young guy who can shuttle back and forth between the NHL and AHL. There are a number of younger goalies out there who are on the cusp. I don't think it would be a bad idea to acquire one if only as an insurance policy--and if this isn't Biron's last year with us then next year very well might be. The Devils picked up Kinkaid last summer. He'd been going to our prospect camps before that. Most teams have more in the pipeline in goal than we do.

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The trade deadline killed this team, at the very least we should have went after a third line defenseman. One without "Scott" on the back of his jersey. I guess as we reflect back on this season at some point, the lack of additional help at the deadline will always be questionable IMO. Maybe management has already conceded this season? Kinda crazy how a team first in it's conference is expected to fail in the postseason miserably, not just my opinion, one that's shared among a lot of hockey brains around the NHL.

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I tried doing the math but I got #DIV/0!

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No way I trade any of them. If they want to move Stralman, Sauer or Bickel fine. But eht op-4 needs to stay.

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Win the Cup this season or bust is not logical. How many teams go from not winning a playoff series in 3 years to winning the Cup? Chicago lost in the WCF in 2009 and won the Cup in 10. Boston was upset by the Canes in 09 and they blew a 3-0 lead to Philly in 10 before winning the Cup in 11. Everyone needs some form of playoff adversity and heartbreak before finally winning. Except for Pitt in 2008,most teams need to lose before they reach the finals. Pitt had their heartbreak in 08 B4 winning in 09. Pitt and Chicago were terrible teams in previous years. Some teams are Cinderella and reach the finals but the Rangers have that luck once every million years. Even the Torts teams in TB had some playoff success before winning. The Rangers haven't won a series since NJ in 2008. Go back and look at the Cup winners in the last 20 years. Usually the teams has playoff success and failure before winning.

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By the time playoff comes we will become an unbeatable team and win 16 consecutive games. Can you beleive it? I can not.

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Why is this even being brought up?

As I have said before, 95% of Ranger fans over 40 would want anything to do with that spawn of evil (Parise).

For those of you who don't know, Zac Parise's father, J.P., who was basically a no-name scrub, scored a overtime goal seven seconds in at the Garden in Game #3 of the opening round (they played 3 game series back then) of the 1975 playoffs for the Islanders. This gave the Islanders legitimacy, and started the Rangers into a tailspin. The Rangers were a contender for most of the early 70's. This playoff exit is what started the whole "curse" nonsense and the "1940" chants.

The name Parise should NEVER be on the back of any Ranger sweater, PERIOD!
Hyperbole much?


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I think Sauer's recovery will play a big part in what happens next.

IMO, Sauer can be just as good defensively as Staal when you factor in Sauer doesnt make the bonehead passes Staal does on a nightly basis. In fact, after seeing Staal regress because of the head shot, I'm convinced he's going to be the odd man out.

Something has to give. The Rangers used the 10th overall pick on a defenseman. They went out an acquired one of the 10 best defensive prospects in the game.

Staal is the most expensive asset on the blue line, but he also has the notoriety and the term. He's easily a guy many teams would covet.

In Summation -- trade Staal.

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I think Sauer's recovery will play a big part in what happens next.

IMO, Sauer can be just as good defensively as Staal when you factor in Sauer doesnt make the bonehead passes Staal does on a nightly basis. In fact, after seeing Staal regress because of the head shot, I'm convinced he's going to be the odd man out.

Something has to give. The Rangers used the 10th overall pick on a defenseman. They went out an acquired one of the 10 best defensive prospects in the game.

Staal is the most expensive asset on the blue line, but he also has the notoriety and the term. He's easily a guy many teams would covet.

In Summation -- trade Staal.
He's the assistant captain for a reason. I think trading him would have a larger impact than most people believe.

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Have to make a trade because apparently Staal-MDZ-McD all play the left side and not one of them can make the transition to the right. Or at least the coaches haven't figured out that if Staal or MDZ would move that would allow the top four defensemen on the roster to be the top 4 defensemen in the pairings on the ice.

It's cute that Bickel went a month and a half not being in the ice for a goal against because he was playing with Staal and against other teams 3rd & 4th line but it's unrealistic to have any of those three (Staal-MDZ-McD) on the 3rd pairing.


I don't know if Staal has lost any trade value with the concussion but him, Miller or Thomas + a 1st rd pick for Nash or Ryan should be pushed. I'd make it Miller & Thomas if that's what it took.

Also, if Calgary misses the playoffs would push to see if Iginla wants a chance to win a Cup in NY before he goes away. Staal + pick should be enough for Calgary.

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I wouldn't "want" to trade any of them, but I actually agree. I wouldn't have a problem trading, say, Girardi, particularly if Sauer is deemed healthy. It's simply that Girardi is the most expendable one because this team can't afford to lose MDZ or McD. They're too effective offensively. If I have to choose between Staal and Girardi, I'll choose Staal.

If the Rangers put together a package of Girardi, Dubinsky, and a pick or prospect for Bobby Ryan, I could get behind something like that. If they get Kreider into the lineup this season, his play will have an affect on this issue, as well.

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He's the assistant captain for a reason. I think trading him would have a larger impact than most people believe.
Thats why you get a good enough return to offset the loss of a leader.

It's a business. These guys know it. Chris Drury was a captain who was demoted, benched then ultimately bought out.

If Staal was traded for a guy like Nash or Ryan or Weber, people -- fans and players -- would get over it in a hurry.

I know I would.

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If Dubinsky just maintained his .31 goals per game rate that he had last season, he'd have 19 thus far this season. That would put the Rangers tied 8th in the NHL in goals for (with a game in hand over Toronto).

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