The competitive nature surrounding the franchise goes to show why you guys are year after year the **** of the league. Maybe start setting higher expectations fro yourself (starting from the front office) and you'll win a playoff spot in the next 5 years. Pretty pathetic...
We'll be in the playoffs soon enough. But then you'll probably be complaining that we shouldn't be there because we stole all that talent from the draft in years prior.
You didn't steal anything. The fans of Edmonton deserve the elite talent you've drafted for the miserable seasons they've had to endure. But you really do have to start wondering about the organizational set-up and development capabilities of a franchise like Edmonton when you can't seem to get out of the basement. Despite drafting Eberle, Hall & Nuge you guys have year after year fail to fill the major organizational holes of goaltending and defencemen. It's pretty pathetic from a management perspective and even sadder from a fan base perspective.
Your goal of getting in the playoffs "soon enough" demonstrates the flawed mentality of the franchise. I read earlier today that Renney was criticizing the fans of Edmonton for not being patient enough...how patient does he expect you guys to be!?
You didn't steal anything. The fans of Edmonton deserve the elite talent you've drafted for the miserable seasons they've had to endure. But you really do have to start wondering about the organizational set-up and development capabilities of a franchise like Edmonton when you can't seem to get out of the basement. Despite drafting Eberle, Hall & Nuge you guys have year after year fail to fill the major organizational holes of goaltending and defencemen. It's pretty pathetic from a management perspective and even sadder from a fan base perspective.
Your goal of getting in the playoffs "soon enough" demonstrates the flawed mentality of the franchise. I read earlier today that Renney was criticizing the fans of Edmonton for not being patient enough...how patient does he expect you guys to be!?
I think you're misunderstanding the rebuild concept. Did you expect drafting Hall and Nugent-Hopkins would instantly lift the team out of the basement? It takes time.
Until then, we thank you for your concern, but it's not needed. I think most of us understand what we're in for in the coming years.
Anyway, what does this all have to do with the thread?
Yakupov goes first overall to Columbus. Then, if I were Edmonton, I'd trade the 2nd overall pick to Montreal for the 3rd overall pick. Let Montreal take Grigorenko (who they want and need) and then Edmonton can take either Murray or Dumba at #3.
If anything, Edmonton will trade with the 4th or 5th overall team, knowing the habs will take a forward. The 4th or 5th overall team will be much more willing to trade better assets in order to pick Grigorenko or Galchenyuk instead of what's left.
I'm all for the rebuild and can see our teams weakness. I think if we did win the lottery we take yakupov, smaller yes but that didn't stop Patrick Kane now did it. If we are second pick then move the pick. Im sorry but I do not see highly of grigorenko. Murray is the best damn and then dumba but if we can move the pick and per say gagner ( probably take heat for this) for a defenseman and a top 5 pick and a second either this year or next, I highly say we take galchenyuk. After yakupov galchenyuk is the best forward available, yes he has a injury and yes he had yakupov as a line mate but he is far beyond grigorenko. It fills a center need behind rnh, people will say he has points because of yakupov, to compare them as a team to another it's similar to pitsburgh they have crosby and malkin, it hasn't stopped malkin from performing losing Crosby. Galchenyuk is ahead of grigorenko and I'm betting many would agree. A good reason why he is not mentioned is cause of injury if he wasn't injured he would be in the talk of going 2nd and maybe even a far reach of some teams taking him 1st based on position need. I'm aware of our defensive need but as pitsburgh did with Crosby malkin I think we follow with rnh and galchenyuk. If Crosby wasn't around malkin would receive a lot more attention that he deserves same goes for galchenyuk with grigorenko. Don't let the injury make you think less. He would go 2nd over grigs.
If anything, Edmonton will trade with the 4th or 5th overall team, knowing the habs will take a forward. The 4th or 5th overall team will be much more willing to trade better assets in order to pick Grigorenko or Galchenyuk instead of what's left.
true, but if you are the Oilers, do you risk losing out on both Murray and Dumba if you drop to the 5th spot?
I say deal the pick to Montreal, threatening to take Grigorenko with the #2 pick. Even if you only get a modest return in addition to the #3 pick, at least you get something and grab the player you likely most wanted anyway.
I'm far from convinced that Montreal has Grigorenko rated 2nd on their list and i really don't think they'll trade up to grab the 2nd pick.
Well there are the Patrick Roy rumours. I would guess that if he went to the Habs their interest in Grig would be high.
And as an oilers fan I would be upset with the oilers if they just drafted a D man at #2. I view Yakupov and Grigorenko a solid notch above all of the D prospects. The only way it would be palatable would be if they traded down a a spot or so.
Bpa can be very subjective, Personally i'd be terrified with the scenario to just assume other teams will trade their franchise defensemen to my team.. they should take a defensemen ainec
You didn't steal anything. The fans of Edmonton deserve the elite talent you've drafted for the miserable seasons they've had to endure. But you really do have to start wondering about the organizational set-up and development capabilities of a franchise like Edmonton when you can't seem to get out of the basement. Despite drafting Eberle, Hall & Nuge you guys have year after year fail to fill the major organizational holes of goaltending and defencemen. It's pretty pathetic from a management perspective and even sadder from a fan base perspective.
Your goal of getting in the playoffs "soon enough" demonstrates the flawed mentality of the franchise. I read earlier today that Renney was criticizing the fans of Edmonton for not being patient enough...how patient does he expect you guys to be!?
And yet if you look at the teams prospect pool outside of the NHL they are far deeper on the back end than they are up front.
So perhaps what we are really looking at here is that it takes time for dmen who are drafted to make an impact. So proposing that they ignore the potential bpa, who by the way may be able to have a real impact next year, to take a dman that might not even play for a year or two seems to contradict your own statement about winning sooner.
2nd overall to the habs for Montreal's 1st, a 2nd and maybe one of Weber/Diaz? Edmonton can draft d, plus another defenseman and gets an nhl ready one.
2nd overall to the habs for Montreal's 1st, a 2nd and maybe one of Weber/Diaz? Edmonton can draft d, plus another defenseman and gets an nhl ready one.
Though, I think the habs would stand pat at 3rd.
Nope, it'll take the Habs at least 3rd overall+Beaulieu. And that's probably still not enough. The difference between Grigorenko and Murray/Dumba is huge.
But honestly, drafting Galchenyuk would be the 2nd best thing for the Habs. No point in losing assets.
2nd overall to the habs for Montreal's 1st, a 2nd and maybe one of Weber/Diaz? Edmonton can draft d, plus another defenseman and gets an nhl ready one.
Though, I think the habs would stand pat at 3rd.
To be honest I don't see either Weber or Diaz being worth much to the Oilers at all.
The problem with the Oiler defense this year has been due to two factors.
1) Injuries
2) They lack at least one and possibly two true top pairing guys.
Both of these have forced the Oilers to play people above their pay grade.
That said, Smid has had a great year. He is a solid second pairing shut down guy who can play lots of minutes.
Petry has also played way better than expected. Particularly in the last 20 games. The kid has all the tools to be a very good NHL dman, perhaps even a legit first pairing guy in the near future. But right now as it is he is certainly capable of playing in the top 4.
Schultz has looked very good for the Oilers so far. He has been solid defensively and has surprisingly been quite active offensively.
If Whitney is healthy, he is certainly capable of having an impact. He may never be the cornerstone he looked like he might be at the beginning of last year, but he is a top four dman in this league.
Any trade they make that involves significant assets needs to bring back someone who is clearly better than what they already have in these four.
To be honest I might even put Galchenyuk second. I watched him play a fair bit last year and was really impressed. But perhaps more so I love everything I hear about his character and his desire to succeed. I think he would be a great complement to RNH.
Take the best player always that high in the first round.
If you really need a dman, dominate players that are drafted that high like Hall, RNH, and whoever the Oilers take this year will fetch ANY dman in the league in trade.
Gagner for a top 4 d-man of some sort or a defensive prospects, draft Grigorenko at #2 and the Oilers are looking a whole helluva lot stronger down the middle for the future. Centre depth is what wins championships. We've heard rumblings of motivational issues with Grigorenko but I think it's all for naught. Ultimately once he's in the pro team environment, sees guys like Nuge, Hall and Ebs, how can one not get excited and willing to show your worth.
People were saying the same things about Malkin before he came over to North America (not trying to compare the two players, obviously Malkin is a generational talent but they are both bigger, more skilled Russian born players coming into the NHL), questioning his motivation and willingness to compete when the goings got tough, but when surrounded by talent, when duty calls, their natural skill and elite offensive instincts take over.
The Oilers need D but they also need a better #2 centre moving forward. BPA always and for now it looks like the drop off in talent between 2nd and 3rd overall could be significant. I have no problem with the Oilers draft Grigorenko, even if the fact remains they need defense.
One thing all great teams have is a top-end dman. You aren't going to get that guy by dealing Sam Gagner. Use the pick to grab a dman or trade down, pick up a dman and draft another. Like others have suggested, something like Schenn plus the Leafs pick or a similar move would seem like a great move for the Oilers and this is coming from a Leafs fan who wouldn't want to see a deal like that.
One thing all great teams have is a top-end dman. You aren't going to get that guy by dealing Sam Gagner. Use the pick to grab a dman or trade down, pick up a dman and draft another. Like others have suggested, something like Schenn plus the Leafs pick or a similar move would seem like a great move for the Oilers and this is coming from a Leafs fan who wouldn't want to see a deal like that.
Schenn is not a great defensemen. I like the kid and expect he will bounce back but right now he would clearly be at best 5 on the Oilers depth chart.
Nor is it all clear that there is one in this draft. Murray might be very good, he may even turn out great. But is he around for the Leaf's pick? Is Dumba?
Unless the Leafs are top 5 this would not be a deal I think many Oiler fans would consider. I might at 5 because I really like Galchenyuk. Though if the Leafs picked Grigorenko, the Canadians will probably pick Galchenyuk so perhaps this does not work either.
Go back over the last 5 years (including this one) and look at the teams in the top 10 in the standings. Then find the players that fit the following:
1) Franchise defensemen
2) Drafted in the top 10
3) Playing for the team that drafted them.
Off the top of my head I can probably think of one such player and that is Alex Peitrangelo.
If you eliminate 3) I would add Pronger, but I don't think there are many others if any.
Nah, it was going around HFOil a couple of months ago and I am too lazy to go find it for you right now. So if you don't want to be believe me that's cool.
