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03-09-2012, 10:23 AM
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Return of red line off-sides. Does it help or hurt B's

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"ray shero, peter chiarelli et al predicted return red line at next GM meeting. asTSN's D. Dreger reports, its on docket next week"

- Tim Panaccio's twitter
Now I must admit, I was a youngin during the days of the dead puck era and didn't understand details like off sides red line, but with the possibility of its return, could it hurt or help the style the bruins play?

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03-09-2012, 10:25 AM
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I think it hurts us. Pushes the league toward what we're already doing, making what we're doing not that special.

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The Bruins will be fine if they bring this back, they don't make many stretch passes anyways. If they go ahead with this I think they will need to make the neutral zone bigger.

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03-09-2012, 10:27 AM
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it doesn't protect anyone, there will be less goal scoring and the league will be wondering why there is still alot of concussions. If you can't hold up an oncoming freght train than guys will continue to get hurt. picking and interfering with an opposing forechecker needs to be allowed again for injuries to go down. in old days pouliot would of interfered with chris neal and the huge check would of been not as hard
when has a player recieving a stretch pass ever been injured? I don't recall any

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Elaborate?- to dojji

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The Bruins don't have too many D that can reliably make a long pass from D-zone to offensive blue line compared to other teams. Therefore it takes away a tactic that would generally be more effectively used by the opposition. So, I think it would help the B's.

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What about seguin? He's routinely made stretch passes to send guys in alone, and vice versa

I have to say, it sure seems like it would take a lot of excitement out of the game

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I think the only way it will hurt the B's is when they don their dump and change. Usually they will make a break out pass in their defensive zone to which a player next to the penalty box, in front of the red line with tip the puck just over the red line to negate icing, and then go on a line change. Thats a 2 line pass.

Put in a pure offensive, long outlet pass to a skating player, no it wont hurt them because they thrive on short pass' anyways.

Overall I like this move. It will increase dump and chase hockey which I prefer anyways. And hopefully it will reduce predatory neutral zone hits. Now all they need to do is allow some interference on the dump in so that the dman and forward are not flying into the boards at full speed.


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Oh the talk was about making the red line the offside marker? I thought it was about banning two-line passes back, which I thought would have helped the Bruins (relative to other teams in the league), as most of their breakouts are with shorter passes anyways.

Either rule would be retarded to bring into the game anyways though.

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IMO, this doesn't really do much of anything to help the game or reduce concussions. If someone could show me a montage of hits that resulted in injury immediately following a 2-line pass then I could be convinced otherwise, but I don't think that the red line really plays a factor in this discussion. Horton and Savard for example weren't flying through the neutral zone when they got hit. Hell, Savard was almost stationary, and Horton didn't exactly have a ton of speed built up.

I think one subtle change that could make a lot of difference is if the refs called fewer tripping penalties. You could make the same argument for hooks and holds, but I think of the 3, I see more 'trips' called penalties that really shouldn't be. I'm talking about calls where a guy steps on a stick blade, or loses an edge and it gets called a trip. If you let more of these ticky-tack tripping calls go I think it would gradually slow down the game enough to maybe reduce some injuries. As it stands now, defenders tend to back off more in fear of getting called for a trip which gives puck carriers more time and speed. The only reason I say to start with tripping is because I think hooks and holds are much more accurately called than tripping.

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I think the only way it will hurt the B's is when they don their dump and change. Usually they will make a break out pass in their defensive zone to which a player next to the penalty box, in front of the red line with tip the puck just over the red line to negate icing, and then go on a line change. Thats a 2 line pass.

Put in a pure offensive, long outlet pass to a skating player, no it wont hurt them because they thrive on short pass' anyways.
Not if he's straddling the red line and touches the puck on the opposite side of the red line.

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Not if he's straddling the red line and touches the puck on the opposite side of the red line.
Then its icing.

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The redline was in its last years once I started understanding hockey. It ****ing sucks.

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Then its icing.
No it's not. If they touch the puck on the other team's side of the center line, while straddling the the center line.

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Then its icing.
No, icing is based on where the puck is. In Patty's post, he says "touches the puck on the opposite side of the red line". How many time have we seen a player wire it into the attack zone with the puck on the attacking side of the red line and his skates on the other side? Lots and lots.

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Then its icing.
No it's not...if the guy strddles the red line and tips the puck on the offensive side of the line...it was done all the time pre-lockout.

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The redline was in its last years once I started understanding hockey. It ****ing sucks.
The red line is still in hockey because thats what icing is based off of.

2 line pass' were that was removed.

Trivia question, why is the red line dashed?

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No it's not...if the guy strddles the red line and tips the puck on the offensive side of the line...it was done all the time pre-lockout.
But since he is touching the puck on the offensive side of the red line, assuming the pass cam from inside the zone, won't it be a 2 line pass?

Or does the player have to be 100% over the red line to touch the puck when a 2 line pass is called?

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The red line is still in hockey because thats what icing is based off of.

2 line pass' were that was removed.

Trivia question, why is the red line dashed?
I think it was so you could tell the difference between it and the blue line during the days of black and white TV

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But since he is touching the puck on the offensive side of the red line, won't it be a 2 line pass?
Not if one of his skates his touching or on his side of the red line it's not.

For offside, it's all about the position of the skates.

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But since he is touching the puck on the offensive side of the red line, won't it be a 2 line pass?
no, same rules as the blue line apply...you could make a "2-line pass" as long as the puck crossed the red line before the player receiving the pass

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But since he is touching the puck on the offensive side of the red line, won't it be a 2 line pass?
No, because "two-line pass" offsides were based on where the player's skates are, just like regular offsides. Like someone said, this was done a lot pre-lockout.

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NVM then.. carry on

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NVM then.. carry on
Was I right on the trivia question?

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I don't think the return of the red line will reduce the concussions much. They certainly wouldn't have done anything about the predatory (in the real sense, not the BS one Shanny used to describe Marchand's hit on Salo) hits by Cooke and Sestito. The red line wouldn't have prevented those. The stretch pass is not the reason we have so many concussions. Maybe it slows the game down some, but I don't think it's going to have a dramatic effect on concussion rates. I think it would make the game worse, too.


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